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Cleveland Cavs (2016 NBA Champions)

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y0yoyoin said:
Question #2 is harder to answer because he hasn't made it really known who he would like to play for...so based on the other criteria I still think the Warriors would be a destination....Lakers and Phoenix
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The only thing I've heard about where he wants to play (besides the Cleveland reports) is that he's a west coast kid who wants to play on the west coast. I'm sure the Lakers qualify, but I have no idea if he'd consider Phoenix. But that leads us to #3--who would the Lakers (or Suns) offer that would be more attractive than a package that includes Bennett, Waiters and first-round picks?
 
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buckeyesin07 said:
I'm still waiting for someone to answer this question:
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Okay, I will give it a shot:

(1) Every team in the NBA

(2) Doesn't matter. You take Love and try to win now, then convince him to stay

(3) Impossible to tell, because I can't get inside the heads of every GM in the NBA. Also, the answer is not static, and will change as teams become more or less confident in their ability to make a championship run. The risk, as far as the Cavs are concerned, is that a championship-caliber team with assets decides to go for broke and make a blockbuster trade for Love before the Cavs can do so.

EDIT: And none of that really matters from Minnesota's standpoint. Their "price" isn't going to be dependent on other teams' ability to pay or desire to take risk. At least not until they feel desperate, and sellers rarely feel desperate when their is high demand for their product.
 
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LordJeffBuck said:
Okay, I will give it a shot:

(1) Every team in the NBA

(2) Doesn't matter. You take Love and try to win now, then convince him to stay

(3) Impossible to tell, because I can't get inside the heads of every GM in the NBA. Also, the answer is not static, and will change as teams become more or less confident in their ability to make a championship run. The risk, as far as the Cavs are concerned, is that a championship-caliber team with assets decides to go for broke and make a blockbuster trade for Love before the Cavs can do so.
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I disagree with (2), but I'm more interested in your point (3). You're positing there could be a team that is already "championship-caliber" will be willing to offer better assets than the Bennett, Waiters and picks offer the Cavs seemingly are willing to trade? In other words, wouldn't that "championship-caliber" team necessarily have to trade a critical piece and thus risk chemistry and other issues that made it championship-caliber in the first place? I don't see it happening.
 
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The NBA is a 'win-now' league. It's also a super-star league. While I have serious doubts that Kevin Love is a 'franchise' player, he is a superstar in this league. Not every superstar is going to come without warts after all.

If I were the Cavs GM, I'd wait until the season starts and let Minny swing in the breeze a bit. They know Love isn't coming back, Love knows the window is closing and maybe other superstars that could make this team into a serious contender for a title would become available if a team is decimated by injuries and/or plays badly to the point that it's clear they are out of contention. I also would try to keep Wiggins on my roster at all costs unless Minny is willing to take less in draft picks.
 
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buckeyesin07 said:
I disagree with (2), but I'm more interested in your point (3). You're positing there could be a team that is already "championship-caliber" will be willing to offer better assets than the Bennett, Waiters and picks offer the Cavs seemingly are willing to trade? In other words, wouldn't that "championship-caliber" team necessarily have to trade a critical piece and thus risk chemistry and other issues that made it championship-caliber in the first place? I don't see it happening.
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And no one thought that OKC would trade James Harden. Crazy things happen in the world of sports.

You don't let a golden opportunity pass just because you think that you're the only person in the market with that golden opportunity. Because you probably aren't.

EDIT: And speaking of James Harden, the Kevin Love talk might all be moot now if the Cavs had pulled the trigger on a proposed trade for Harden back in 2012, and the Cavs Big Three might now be LeBron, Kyrie, and Harden:

All those draft picks just never became anything that good. A segment of the front office pushed Grant hard to make a run at James Harden before last season, using a combination of picks and any Cavalier other than Irving. Grant resisted, and he has generally been known around the league as a difficult sort to deal with. Executives on other teams lament that Grant overvalues his own players to the point of paralysis, and that could have prevented the Cavs from throwing their hat in the Harden ring.
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http://grantland.com/the-triangle/grant-runs-out-of-luck-and-time-in-cleveland/

That same sort of "paralysis" seems to subsist in many Cavs fans today.
 
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LordJeffBuck said:
And no one thought that OKC would trade James Harden. Crazy things happen in the world of sports.

You don't let a golden opportunity pass just because you think that you're the only person in the market with that golden opportunity. Because you probably aren't.
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http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nba/2012/10/27/james-harden-thunder-trade-rockets/1663167/

Situations not all that dissimilar. Though I don't think Harden then was on the same level as Love now. OKC likely wasn't going to resign Harden a year later so they moved him to Houston...


OKC received
Jeremy Lamb
Kevin Martin
2 first round picks
1 second

Houston received
James Harden
Cole Aldrich
Daequan Cook
Lazar Hayward
 
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buckeyesin07 said:
I'm still waiting for someone to answer this question:
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Ultimately it comes down to the fringe title teams like Indiana or Golden State who think they're close but still need something to push them over the edge. Some team will get desperate by mid-season. It could be the Wizards, it could be anybody. It also comes down to whether or not these teams can offer a package comparable to Waiters/Bennett and picks, and I don't think anyone could. You run the risk of someone who you don't expect to make a run outbidding you, but who could that be? The Cavs are in the unique situation here because they're a title contender with assets. Not a lot of teams could move pieces without destroying the entire roster. Another important aspect is whether or not Love would want to re-sign with the Wizards or Pacers. I think the Cavs are one of the only Eastern Conference teams with a shot because of LeBron.

So again, don't bid against yourselves. Minnesota can make this move by March or they can lose him for nothing.
 
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Bestbuck36 said:
The way Bennett looks right now, yes I know it's only summer league, but it's the kind of development we were hoping to see out of him. If he continues he could very well be a lighter version of Kevin Love - at least in statistics. 16 and 8 and able to keep Wiggins vs 25-8 with Love and the extra salary. Pretty much a wash if the development continues. All big IF's.

What if we sell off all of our players and Love gets injured? Talk about sucking.
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That's what I'm thinking. Is it worth giving up one of the best wing prospects since Lebron, Bennett and a couple picks for Love before you even see what they look like in Blatt's system? If guys like Wiggins, Bennett, and Waiters pan out you are better with them than trading 2 of them for Love.

I haven't watched many NBA games over the past 4 years, but I don't really see any lineups out there where Thompson can't be the 5 for the Cavs. I think he can guard guys like Gasol, Duncan, and Bosh. I don't see the Rockets being good enough to make it out of the West so Howard won't be an issue. Who else else is there Lopez, Noah, Hibbert, Drummond?

This is what my minute breakdown would look like with the current roster:
Center- Andy 25, Thompson 20, Haywood or other 3
PF- Lebron 15, Bennett 20, Thompson 13
SF- Lebron 20, Miller 15, Jones 10
SG- Wiggins 30, Waiters 18
PG- Irving 35, Waiters/Delly 13
 
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buckeyesin07 said:
The only thing I've heard about where he wants to play (besides the Cleveland reports) is that he's a west coast kid who wants to play on the west coast. I'm sure the Lakers qualify, but I have no idea if he'd consider Phoenix. But that leads us to #3--who would the Lakers (or Suns) offer that would be more attractive than a package that includes Bennett, Waiters and first-round picks?
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Lakers basically only have Julius Randle and future picks. And if they were to trade both of those, he'd basically be on a team with Kobe for a few more years, and nobody else. So they would definitely need to get assurance of him staying long term. Bus Phoenix actually does have a lot of good young assets at guard. Not sure if Minnesota would be interested, but they are seriously loaded at guard. To the point where they basically have to move someone (or multiple): Goran Dragic, Gerald Green, Isaiah Thomas, Eric Bledsoe (S&T candidate), and even Tyler Ennis drafted this year. Kind of silly really.
 
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Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA
Utah's trading John Lucas, Malcolm Thomas and Erik Murphy to Cleveland for Carrick Felix, future 2nd and $1M, sources tell Yahoo.

Lucas.. 2 year contract.. $1.6M/year
Thomas.. 2 year contract.. $825K avg
Murphy.. 2 year contract.. $653K avg

Felix.. 3 year contract left.. $820K, $950K, $1M.. most guaranteed
I liked Felix as the backup PG

Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA
As much as anything, three non-guaranteed contracts give Cavs what one source calls, "Buying power," whether used on Love or elsewhere.

Whitelaw Reid ‏@WhiteysWorld365
Sources tell me that the Cleveland Cavaliers have signed former #UVa star Joe Harris to a guaranteed two-year contract.

we still need backups 1 and 5
 
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I think the play of Matthew Dellavedova has given the office some confidence this summer. Add that to the fact that Bron will play some Point Forward at times and I think we might be ok there. The Center position is a little shaky though.
 
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