tsteele316
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And golden state gas again stood firm in not trading Thompson, so those conversations should be short.
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And golden state gas again stood firm in not trading Thompson, so those conversations should be short.
buckeyesin07
Veni. Vidi. Vici.
Yep much like the cavs told Minnesota to pound salt. I've said it several times--it's high time Minnesota is made aware of the fact that they have no leverage in dealing Love.
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buckeyesin07
Veni. Vidi. Vici.
I'd offer Thompson, waiters and one number 1. And I'd tell them that's the best they're going to see.
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ethan
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Great addition! Mike Miller has championship experience and is a knock down shooter.
I would have preferred Ray Allen, but hopefully LeBron will recruit him too and we can add him for the vet minimum.
Allen could come in now, strictly as a sharp shooter for the playoffs. He wouldn't have to play much at all in the regular season.
With Wiggins and Love, Thompson and Waiters wouldn't have a place on the team. Unless they took pay cuts.
Even if we signed Love as a free agent next year. We would have to trade Thompson and Waiters or re-sign them for basically vet minimum.
Cavs need to trade for Love this year, before Irving's max contract kicks in next year. right?
James: 21M
Love 14M
Irving: 7M
Varejao: 9M
Wiggins: 4M
Bennett: 5M
That's 60M with just those guys. The following year Irving will start making 18M.
So either way, I really don't know how we could make cap space for Love.
Maybe Dan Gilbert would be willing to swallow huge luxury taxes to have a 4 year window to the Finals?
I would have preferred Ray Allen, but hopefully LeBron will recruit him too and we can add him for the vet minimum.
Allen could come in now, strictly as a sharp shooter for the playoffs. He wouldn't have to play much at all in the regular season.
With Wiggins and Love, Thompson and Waiters wouldn't have a place on the team. Unless they took pay cuts.
Even if we signed Love as a free agent next year. We would have to trade Thompson and Waiters or re-sign them for basically vet minimum.
Cavs need to trade for Love this year, before Irving's max contract kicks in next year. right?
James: 21M
Love 14M
Irving: 7M
Varejao: 9M
Wiggins: 4M
Bennett: 5M
That's 60M with just those guys. The following year Irving will start making 18M.
So either way, I really don't know how we could make cap space for Love.
Maybe Dan Gilbert would be willing to swallow huge luxury taxes to have a 4 year window to the Finals?
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UpNorth_Buckeye
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I still don't get the Warriors. Can they really value Klay Thompson over Kevin Love? Are they that stupid?
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Irving and Thompson's salaries don't jump till 2016-2017
and most of the posted salaries are under by a million
That list of 6 is low by $4M.. total of just those 6 is $64M
toss in Miller and the rest of the roster.. and you're > $70M
Love doesn't jump much next year either
Only way I can see it is renegotiating Andys $10M deal
and most of the posted salaries are under by a million
That list of 6 is low by $4M.. total of just those 6 is $64M
toss in Miller and the rest of the roster.. and you're > $70M
Love doesn't jump much next year either
Only way I can see it is renegotiating Andys $10M deal
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The only way anyone does a trade is... if they have an agreement from Love on a deal
and that's why I think the Cavs are pretty smug right now
get him now... or get him in Feb...
but Wolves are not in a position of strength and the NBA teams know it
and that's why I think the Cavs are pretty smug right now
get him now... or get him in Feb...
but Wolves are not in a position of strength and the NBA teams know it
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buckeyesin07
Veni. Vidi. Vici.
Is there any sure fire way for the Cavs to be sure they don't get Boozered again, or are we only relying on Love's word here?
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exhawg
Mirror Guy
Sign and trade might be an option. On the other hand if you could sign for max money and play the rest of your career with Lebron and Irving I don't think it's a hard decision. I'm pretty sure the incumbent team always has the advantage now. I think they have a Boozer rule now to prevent that from happening again.
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Most likely Love would have to agree to fulfill his existing contract which includes a player option for 2015-2016 and then an extension for x years after
but looks like the wave will be similar to LeBrons contracts which will correspond to when new and highly elevated caps are expected to come (as part of new TV contracts w NBA) and/or the possibility the players assoc does their best to emulate baseball with no team caps
but looks like the wave will be similar to LeBrons contracts which will correspond to when new and highly elevated caps are expected to come (as part of new TV contracts w NBA) and/or the possibility the players assoc does their best to emulate baseball with no team caps
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BuckeyeMafia
A Leaf on the Wind
I think Varejao's contract has to be reworked. There's no way he plays for more than 35 minutes a game and who knows how many games he'll actually play with his injury history. The Cavs don't need a center who can score, especially if they have Kevin Love, but they do need someone who can clog up the lane on defense and the ability to hit a mid-range jumper wouldn't be the end of the world. Kevin Garnett about two years ago is exactly who they need.
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Not 100% (maybe 90%?), but if the Cavs do get Love, they have the hammer of offering a 5 year max deal versus him getting 4 years elsewhere, ie the Chris Bosh/Carmello thing. Would love turn down a $30 million difference? And to be able to play with LeBron and Kyrie?
But back to the trade. Someone did an analysis of trades in this scenerio (pending free agent superstar that won't sign with current team) NOT ONE TEAM got a player like Wiggins. So the Cavs are going to stick to their guns. And on top of it IF the Cavs do relent to trade Wiggins... they still have to include a player like Tristan, Andy or Bennett to make the salaries work.
So IF Wiggins is involved... it would look like Wiggins, Bennett and Felix for Love.
The Cavs are going to play hardball... and they should. This doesn't have to happen until the trading deadline. Alot of things can happen by then. Maybe Bennett balls out and becomes a more attractive player in the trade (along with Waiters). Maybe Golden State isn't as good and don't want to panic into trading for Love. OR Golden State can ball and just need Love to really have a chance to win the Western Conference and Bennett/Waiters could suck and lose all trade value. Let alone the mortality of Love leaving sinking in with the Wolves. Of course Love could get hurt and throw a monkey wrench in everything.
This is going to be fluid, we have 3 months til the season starts. I just hope the Cavs don't panic. Then again all it will take is a phone call from LeBron to Gilbert/Griff to say trade Wiggins for Love and it's done.
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