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Cleveland Cavs (2016 NBA Champions)

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Interview with our #19 pick, already he speaks better English than most Michigan fans.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_5qJzeJAjM"]Sergey Karasev - Interview & Practice Highlights - 2013 Nike Hoop Summit - YouTube[/ame]
 
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I liked the Bennett pick. It was a bad draft at the top and all of the players had pretty significant flaws in their game or a low ceiling. Bennett brings a lot of intrigue because you can definitely see that he is physically imposing and he's athletic for his size with a nice shooting stroke. He has long arms that will be a great asset as he improves defensively.

Remember he's 19. If he keeps his weight under control, there is so much to build on with him. I'm excited about the pick.
 
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LordJeffBuck;2349633; said:
Again, great in-depth analysis - I like how you disputed each of my assertions point by point:

1. First, question my knowledge/fandom ("Well, we are 40 pages in and your first replies in the thread...")

2. Then repeat your original derogatory remark ("That just screams of typical Cleveland woe is me attitude.")

3. Next add a sarcastic comment ("Yea, you're probably right that Grant passed on the opportunity to trade out of the spot.")

4. Throw in a completely unnecessary an ad hominem attack ("I bet you're a hell of a Monday morning qb")

5. Finish with the obligatory emoticon ( :tibor: )

So, kudos to you - you really know how to present an argument. And you also contributed a lot to the discussion, which, if I remember correctly, was concerning Chris Grant's draft history.

As far as Grant passing on the opportunity to trade the #1 pick, I never said that he did. I will now give you a second opportunity to read what I actually wrote:

"For years this team has been stockpiling assets to give them flexibility, and then they get stuck taking three picks in the worst draft in recent memory. It just doesn't make any sense at all - there had to be some trade option that was better than staying pat."

I never specifically mentioned the #1 pick, although that certainly could have been a key piece in any of the numerous proposed trades. And the Cavs were actively shopping the pick, according to Cavs' insider Sam Amico (FOX Sports Ohio): LINK

In addition, Amico reported this morning on 92.3 The Fan in Cleveland that the Cavs' war room was "subdued" after a big trade fell through; he didn't mention the #1 pick specifically, but it was certainly implied in his comments. Amico then added that a front office person on the other side of the proposed trade told him that "Chris Grant's need to fleece the other team really cost him tonight."

So, Grant didn't pass on the opportunity to trade #1, but rather that opportunity passed him by.
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I wasn't disputing your assertions in the first place. It was a clear example of the Cleveland sports fan attitude that looks at only the negative.

I'm not the opposite. I'm not looking at everything as positive. I just think this team will be better to start the season than they were last season.
 
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LordJeffBuck;2349633; said:
Again, great in-depth analysis - I like how you disputed each of my assertions point by point:

1. First, question my knowledge/fandom ("Well, we are 40 pages in and your first replies in the thread...")
True
2. Then repeat your original derogatory remark ("That just screams of typical Cleveland woe is me attitude.")
This is also true
3. Next add a sarcastic comment ("Yea, you're probably right that Grant passed on the opportunity to trade out of the spot.")
"There had to be some trade option that was better than staying pat" Why? What makes you think Grant passed on a chance to move out from the top of the weakest draft in years? By all reports he was trying to move it for a while. No serious offers.
4. Throw in a completely unnecessary an ad hominem attack ("I bet you're a hell of a Monday morning qb")
Well, you added no ideas of your own, just complaints. You never posted before the draft about who to draft. WWLJBD? W'ell never know.
5. Finish with the obligatory emoticon ( :tibor: )
The negativity of the post deserved a Tibor.
So, kudos to you - you really know how to present an argument. And you also contributed a lot to the discussion, which, if I remember correctly, was concerning Chris Grant's draft history.

As far as Grant passing on the opportunity to trade the #1 pick, I never said that he did. I will now give you a second opportunity to read what I actually wrote:

"For years this team has been stockpiling assets to give them flexibility, and then they get stuck taking three picks in the worst draft in recent memory. It just doesn't make any sense at all - there had to be some trade option that was better than staying pat."
Again, why? Why would he pass on the opportunity to move it? Did Amico tweet something that made you believe that? I've got no problem with him not moving the pick if he didn't get what he wanted.
I never specifically mentioned the #1 pick, although that certainly could have been a key piece in any of the numerous proposed trades. And the Cavs were actively shopping the pick, according to Cavs' insider Sam Amico (FOX Sports Ohio): LINK

In addition, Amico reported this morning on 92.3 The Fan in Cleveland that the Cavs' war room was "subdued" after a big trade fell through; he didn't mention the #1 pick specifically, but it was certainly implied in his comments. Amico then added that a front office person on the other side of the proposed trade told him that "Chris Grant's need to fleece the other team really cost him tonight."
What would you consider to be enough to make the trade?
So, Grant didn't pass on the opportunity to trade #1, but rather that opportunity passed him by.
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Nah, he passed on the chance to move it for less than he thought it was worth.
 
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LitlBuck;2349620; said:
I think the problem with the Cavs is that they keep building, like all Cleveland teams, for the future and the future never comes. I also do not understand all the love for Dan Gilbert because in my mind he is no different than any other Cleveland owner in that he has not brought a championship to Cleveland so until that happens he is no better than any other Cleveland owner.
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Yeah, i'm not a Gilbert fan. Think he's avg for an owner. Think fans are just used to terible owners so the avg ones look better. That said I really like the Bennett pick.
 
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lord vegas;2349755; said:
Yeah, i'm not a Gilbert fan. Think he's avg for an owner. Think fans are just used to terible owners so the avg ones look better. That said I really like the Bennett pick.
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I don't think Bennett fits with the current roster, and I don't like what I saw out of Bennett at UNLV (and I watched him play many times last year, not just once or twice). All that said, I'd be elated to be proven wrong. Go Cavs.
 
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I'm happy with the Bennett pick. The only guy I feel more confident about as an NBA star is Ben McLemore. I think Porter could be really good and I reluctantly think Trey Burke should be a star. Am I an NBA scout? No, far from it, but even NBA scouts don't know who is really going to pan out.

All you need to do to put this in perspective is to look back at past NBA drafts. There is usually at least one star who came from the mid-first round and below. Looking at the lottery picks, there are definitely some guys who barely saw the court and some late lottery guys who became stars.
 
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y0yoyoin;2349839; said:
Depending on who we get in free agency I can see it...you can be 6 games under .500 and still make the playoffs in the eastern conference
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Especially with all of the teams tanking for the 2014 draft. Boston's out next year, Milwaukee won't be any better and got in with a .463 record, Atlanta won't be any better either unless they somehow sign Dwight Howard. Only team I can see from this year's lottery attempting to make the postseason is Washington.

Unfortunately, we need everyone healthy to even sniff the playoffs. It's tough to look at the top of the East (Miami, Indiana, Brooklyn, Knicks, Chicago) and feel like we're close. Making the playoffs this year is kind of pointless considering we would be an automatic out in the first round.
 
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Buckeneye;2349832; said:
Not seeing....sarcasm font....?
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Haha.

Celtics, Hawks, Bucks will not be in the playoffs again. That leaves 3 spots between:

Cavs, Wizards, Raptors, Pistons, Magic. (Charlotte & Philly have no chance)

Right now I'll go with Cavs as the 6th seed, Wizards 7th...can't decide on who will be 8th, it will be very close.
 
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