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Cleveland Browns (official thread of Masochism 2015)

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tsteele316 said:
Which is stupid, because it does him a favor by getting more teams to bid on his services.

The only reason gipson has to be pissed, is if he doesn't sign any long term offer.
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I think Gipson's reasoning is that the team 'values' him as a second rounder. He doesn't seem to realize the front office is just testing his market value.
I have no doubt a deal will get done once we find out what other teams are will to pay. I don't expect him to make McCourty type money - but I don't think he'll be a hell of a lot below that.
 
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Buckeneye said:
I think Gipson's reasoning is that the team 'values' him as a second rounder. He doesn't seem to realize the front office is just testing his market value.
I have no doubt a deal will get done once we find out what other teams are will to pay. I don't expect him to make McCourty type money - but I don't think he'll be a hell of a lot below that.
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The team values him enough that they are allowing a larger potential group of suitors bid on his services while still maintaining a level of protection for themselves in case some team goes stupid. While you might get a few teams that would bite the bullet on a 2nd round pick, no team is going to mortgage a first and pay a contract large enough it won't be matched, all while having that be a hold on their cap.
 
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Dawgs By Nature writers list their top targets going into Day 3 of free agency...

http://www.dawgsbynature.com/2015/3...ency-live-blog-day-3-rumors-signings-and-more

Throughout the day, I will be sprinkling in "free agency target lists" from many of our staff members at DBN, so that will be something to look forward to.
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Earlier, I mentioned that we'll be posting brief, free agency target lists this morning from various staff members here at DBN. First up is our resident fear mongering specialist, Matt Wood!
1. DE Greg Hardy: I know he is a turd, but I don't care. May be suspended but he is a pass rusher in his prime.

2. WR Percy Harvin: The only difference maker left in FA. He could be a problem at some point, but the Browns need offense.

3. TE Jordan Cameron: Short deal with clauses.

4. CB Antonio Cromartie: Another guy who I'd easily give a big one-year deal to. Has history with Pettine.

5. DT Henry Melton: Has battled injuries, but has been really good at times. Upside here.
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Our next free agency target list comes from Josh Finney, who you can try to follow on Twitter here.
1. WR Andre Holmes: Immediately adds size and big play making ability. (RFA)

2. TE Charles Clay, Scott Chandler, Jordan Cameron, or any move tight end: Drafted tight ends typically take 1-2 years to find their footing at the NFL level, and Flip has indicated that the "move" TE is a critical portion of his offense. We need a stop gap here, and Dray/Barnidge are both capable second options, not primary pass catchers.

3. DT Pot Roast (Knighton) or Kendrick Ellis: Please, please god get a stout run defending NT, because otherwise the #12 pick is all but signed, sealed, and delivered as either Danny Shelton or Malcolm Brown, and I want to at least have the OPTION to look at DeVante Parker or Kevin White if they make it 12.
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Third up with his free agency target list is Zach Miller, who you can follow on Twitter here.
1a. TE Jordan Cameron - If a deal can be reached, and he's committed to Cleveland, make it happen.
1b. TE Charles Clay - If Cameron walks, Clay becomes priority #1, TEs are suspect this draft.

2. WR Cecil Shorts - Homecoming for him, and we still need WRs, despite Brian Hartline. Add Parker/White in the draft, and the WRs are not half bad.

3. DT Terrance Knighton - Need DL help in a bad way, would go a long way in shoring up the rush defense.

4. DE Michael Johnson - Would also add help in the run defense, and stick it to Cincinnati. Was bad last year, but could rebound on a better D than what Tampa has.
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Next, we've got the king of the Daily Dawg Chow, Jon Stinchcomb! Is it unusual that our past two staff members share a name with current or former NFL players? You can follow Jon on Twitter here.
1. ILB Brandon Spikes - The Browns need to shore up the run defense.

2. TE Jordan Cameron - Losing Cameron would be a significant loss to their TE depth.

3. CB Tramon Williams - He could be a Justin Gilbert insurance policy.

4. CB Perrish Cox - Same as above.

5. OT Jake Long - This would be a bargain bin signing. The ACL tears are why you only buy low.
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Another staff member has chimed in with their free agency target list -- this time, it's Dan Lalich, better known as notthatnoise
1. DT Terrance Knighton: Like others have said, we need some help on defensive line, and signing a guy like Knighton frees up draft options.

2. DE Greg Hardy: Avid comment readers probably know my stance on guys who have this kind of trouble off the field, but in Hardy's case I'm far from convinced he actually did anything wrong.

3. TE Scott Chandler: Solid tight end, you can count on him for 40-50 catches a year, and he's still on the right side of 30. I'm too worried about concussions to want Cameron back.

4. CB Antonio Cromartie: I like him a little better than Perrish Cox, and we desperately need a known quantity at corner with the departure of Buster Skrine.
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It's Joe Ginley's turn to dish out his free agent target list! You can follow Joe on Twitter here.
1. NT B.J. Raji - At the top of the list for me is a NT, but the Browns seem unwilling to spend big on a premier player at the position, such as Terrance Knighton. So I'm hoping the Browns pick up a bargain buy at the position before drafting a NT high in the draft. Raji has suffered some injury issues, but he's reportedly healthy now and would come cheap.

2. WR Andre Holmes - The Browns need to replace Josh Gordon, and Holmes is the perfect candidate. Big, fast, reliable.

3. OLB Derrick Morgan - The Browns need a pass rusher, and Morgan is a good fit, though other teams are pursuing him.

4. CB Perrish Cox - Not an exciting signing, but Cox could push Gilbert and give the team veteran depth at the position. Worst-case scenario, Cox is a decent 3rd cornerback.
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I was in the camp that wanted to see them at least offer NT Dan Williams, who is signing with Oakland I believe. I like the idea of signing someone in the middle to help the run defense and it seems like Terrance Knighton is at the top of most Browns bloggers' wishlists. As someone mentioned, if they don't sign someone it all but guarantees they are going Shelton or Brown at #12 and it just seems to be it would make more sense to bring in someone like Knighton and at least give yourself some options at #12. The WR market is pretty thin...looks like Harvin, Shorts and Holmes are the best options available which even furthers my belief that they need to score big at WR in this draft despite Ray Farmer's complete lack of interest in drafting a WR last year. I have to admit the concussions scare me when it comes to Cameron and I wouldn't mind seeing a tandem of Dray and Clay, although it really seems like Cameron is going to sign with Miami and Clay is going to sign with Buffalo. Lastly a lot of people think Perrish Cox is the best option to replace Buster Skrine...and I think I agree...although I really had high hopes for Pierre Desir and would love to see him take a step forward in his progress.

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wadc45 said:
Dawgs By Nature writers list their top targets going into Day 3 of free agency...
I was in the camp that wanted to see them at least offer NT Dan Williams, who is signing with Oakland I believe. I like the idea of signing someone in the middle to help the run defense and it seems like Terrance Knighton is at the top of most Browns bloggers' wishlists. As someone mentioned, if they don't sign someone it all but guarantees they are going Shelton or Brown at #12 and it just seems to be it would make more sense to bring in someone like Knighton and at least give yourself some options at #12. The WR market is pretty thin...looks like Harvin, Shorts and Holmes are the best options available which even furthers my belief that they need to score big at WR in this draft despite Ray Farmer's complete lack of interest in drafting a WR last year. I have to admit the concussions scare me when it comes to Cameron and I wouldn't mind seeing a tandem of Dray and Clay, although it really seems like Cameron is going to sign with Miami and Clay is going to sign with Buffalo. Lastly a lot of people think Perrish Cox is the best option to replace Buster Skrine...and I think I agree...although I really had high hopes for Pierre Desir and would love to see him take a step forward in his progress.
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I agree with you. I would like for them to get a NT in free agency so they have some options available at the #12 spot and I will go after Shorts along with one of the CB's that are left in free agency. From what I have read, Malcolm Brown is not viewed as a NT but more of a DE and so we do not A NT in free agency we will probably have to hope Sheldon is available at #12. I know the Browns want to build through the draft but this is getting ridiculous. They have so many dollars to spend on free agents and all they are doing is watching them pass Cleveland. I do not know maybe guys do not want to play for that franchise which would not surprise me the way it has been operated so far. Oh, also please give a TE in free agency so we do not have to waste a draft pick on one of those again.
 
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wadc45 said:
Agree 100% on both statements.

I'd love to know what Ray Farmer's masterplan is.
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Well, we haven't attempted to over pay for Suh, Revis or Williams.

I don't believe Chip when he says he's been offered a 1st rounder for Bradford - so Farmer isn't that dumb.

Signed Hartline which not only brings an Ohio boy home, but helps fill a need.

So long as he does nothing incredibly stupid contract wise, or swaping picks, I'll be happy.


LitlBuck said:
Oh, also please give a TE in free agency so we do not have to waste a draft pick on one of those again.
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I mean, if the Browns took Heurman, I wouldn't be mad.
 
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Buckeneye said:
Well, we haven't attempted to over pay for Suh, Revis or Williams.

I don't believe Chip when he says he's been offered a 1st rounder for Bradford - so he isn't that dumb.

Signed Hartline which not only brings an Ohio boy home, but helps fill a need.

So long as he does nothing incredibly stupid contract wise, or swaping picks, I'll be happy.
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Agreed..but there are some quality guys available who could help this team next year. Knighton being the #1 but I doubt the Browns will want to pay him. Cox and Shorts are guys I think that can help and will be well below the market rate for players at their position based on past production. As one guy said, a WR core of Hartline, Shorts and White/Parker would at least make opposing defensive coordinators stay awake on passing downs. As of right now this is what I expect to see when the Browns are in third and long:

https://vine.co/v/OQnjlALXJ2p
 
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wadc45 said:
Agreed..but there are some quality guys available who could help this team next year. Knighton being the #1 but I doubt the Browns will want to pay him. Cox and Shorts are guys I think that can help and will be well below the market rate for players at their position based on past production. As one guy said, a WR core of Hartline, Shorts and White/Parker would at least make opposing defensive coordinators stay awake on passing downs. As of right now this is what I expect to see when the Browns are in third and long:

https://vine.co/v/OQnjlALXJ2p
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I would have had no problem with Knighton 2 years ago. Now? The guy has wide rumored commitment and weight issues, yet wants to get paid. I would have preferred slightly overpaying
Dan Williams if I had my choice of 2 down NT.


As for our NT situation, Big Phil and Hughes were pretty steady at that spot when healthy. So if our next best choice is drafting Malcolm Brown and pairing him with Desmond then I think we'd have two 3tech monsters that could
push the interior pocket on passing downs which is desperately needed for this team. The other OLB spot is my biggest question.

Of all the players in FA I really wanted the Browns to be aggressive with, it was Jerry Hughes. That shipped has sailed, so the position must be addressed in the draft and probably quite early. Give me Nate Orchard if that be the case.
Watching Dupree scares me, reminds me of Vernon a bit too much.
 
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Buckeneye said:
I would have had no problem with Knighton 2 years ago. Now? The guy has wide rumored commitment and weight issues, yet wants to get paid. I would have preferred slightly overpaying
Dan Williams if I had my choice of 2 down NT.


As for our NT situation, Big Phil and Hughes were pretty steady at that spot when healthy. So if our next best choice is drafting Malcolm Brown and pairing him with Desmond then I think we'd have two 3tech monsters that could
push the interior pocket on passing downs which is desperately needed for this team. The other OLB spot is my biggest question.

Of all the players in FA I really wanted the Browns to be aggressive with, it was Jerry Hughes. That shipped has sailed, so the position must be addressed in the draft and probably quite early. Give me Nate Orchard if that be the case.
Watching Dupree scares me, reminds me of Vernon a bit too much.
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Williams was definitely my first choice.

Agreed on Dupree. This talk about comparing him to Clowney just baffles me.
 
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