Direct quote from Dorsey when asked about height and Baker Mayfield:
“Height isn’t everything. How tall is Drew Brees? How tall is Chase Daniel?”
Definitely not a joke, sadly
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“Height isn’t everything. How tall is Drew Brees? How tall is Chase Daniel?”
Definitely not a joke, sadly
The name being thrown out there because Dorsey is his biggest fan apparently?
Chase Daniel
Thought he was a big fan of Allen? If there's any truth to the Denver/Rosen thing... Allen is probably there at 5.
Not sure how I feel about that, though. A lot to suggest Allen is mostly a paper tiger with great measurables who makes an occasionally good throw and otherwise meh. But if it takes a #5 to get Flacco at this point... I'll take it. I'd rather have Flacco than Trent Richardson.
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OHSportsFan
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Very amateur NFL/Browns/Draft follower at this point, but my quick assessment is hold my nose and take Barkley and Allen.
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https://sports.yahoo.com/m/0248f21d-8b70-37d2-a867-763589b2c87d/bears-to-hire-chris-tabor-for.html
Was he the longest tenured Browns coach since they came back?
Was he the longest tenured Browns coach since they came back?
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speaking of Broncos and QBs... probably just a smoke screen but oh lord would I love this.
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This will end in tears.
Rosen doesn't want to play for the Clowns. IMO, he is going to be a terrific pro. That leaves Darnold or Allen. Darnold will be a disaster. He was a turnover machine this year, and what do you think's going to happen when the speed of the game gets cranked up to eleven? Allen's hype is based purely on measurables. He was spectacularly mediocre this season. The excuse being made is that he had a lousy supporting staff. Well, he played at Wyoming, it's not like he was facing stiff competition. People want him to be Carson Wentz. Wentz was very productive and won a ton of games in college. Was his supporting cast at friggin' North Dakota State that much better? Nah, not buying it.
Honestly, for once, I don't have much of an opinion on what they should do because I don't see an obvious move. They can draft Rosen anyway and watch him pull an Elway, Stouffer or Eli. If they draft Darnold they are exactly who we thought they were. No way they go Allen #1. They're in a shit spot. If they don't get a QB this year, they're probably kicking the can down the road until 2020, because 2019 looks pretty bleak for QBs. I'm not really sure what the move should be besides "not Darnold." Maybe trade out of #1, hope you can get Allen lower and hope you can develop him behind {insert veteran retread here}. I'd probably draft Barkley at #4 and hope Denver is willing to pay a King's ransom for Rosen at 1. Then grab Allen there. I'm just not convinced Allen is going to ever develop into a franchise QB. Rosen really fucked them.
Rosen doesn't want to play for the Clowns. IMO, he is going to be a terrific pro. That leaves Darnold or Allen. Darnold will be a disaster. He was a turnover machine this year, and what do you think's going to happen when the speed of the game gets cranked up to eleven? Allen's hype is based purely on measurables. He was spectacularly mediocre this season. The excuse being made is that he had a lousy supporting staff. Well, he played at Wyoming, it's not like he was facing stiff competition. People want him to be Carson Wentz. Wentz was very productive and won a ton of games in college. Was his supporting cast at friggin' North Dakota State that much better? Nah, not buying it.
Honestly, for once, I don't have much of an opinion on what they should do because I don't see an obvious move. They can draft Rosen anyway and watch him pull an Elway, Stouffer or Eli. If they draft Darnold they are exactly who we thought they were. No way they go Allen #1. They're in a shit spot. If they don't get a QB this year, they're probably kicking the can down the road until 2020, because 2019 looks pretty bleak for QBs. I'm not really sure what the move should be besides "not Darnold." Maybe trade out of #1, hope you can get Allen lower and hope you can develop him behind {insert veteran retread here}. I'd probably draft Barkley at #4 and hope Denver is willing to pay a King's ransom for Rosen at 1. Then grab Allen there. I'm just not convinced Allen is going to ever develop into a franchise QB. Rosen really fucked them.
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Am I the only person that sees a bust in Barkley? Take away his longs and he gets like 2 yds/carry. That's not even an exaggeration.
Iowa - 27car / 167yds
Indy - 19car / 48yds
NW - 15car / 22yds
MI - 14car / 39yds
OSU - 20car / 8yds
MSU - 13car / 27yds
RU - 13car / 24yds
UN - 16car / 93yds
MY - 15car / 60yds
UW - 17car / 45yds
He's way too feast/famine to go that high imo. Is it worth it to get 2ypc all game for 1 60yd TD run ?? Can he even break that many long runs in NFL ? I have doubts. He's an electric player, and he has the size to be a 3down back... but he goes nowhere* too frequently to get 20car a game in the NFL.
What kind of franchise RB loses steam in the 4th quarter ?
*behind an OLine and supporting cast with an athletic advantage against all but maybe 2 or 3 teams there
Iowa - 27car / 167yds
Indy - 19car / 48yds
NW - 15car / 22yds
MI - 14car / 39yds
OSU - 20car / 8yds
MSU - 13car / 27yds
RU - 13car / 24yds
UN - 16car / 93yds
MY - 15car / 60yds
UW - 17car / 45yds
He's way too feast/famine to go that high imo. Is it worth it to get 2ypc all game for 1 60yd TD run ?? Can he even break that many long runs in NFL ? I have doubts. He's an electric player, and he has the size to be a 3down back... but he goes nowhere* too frequently to get 20car a game in the NFL.
What kind of franchise RB loses steam in the 4th quarter ?
*behind an OLine and supporting cast with an athletic advantage against all but maybe 2 or 3 teams there
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Right? I don't see much better than what they already have in Duke Johnson...
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Penn State's OL was actually really bad this year. But I do agree his numbers should be better against teams like Indiana, Rutgers, and NW. I'm just not sure many RBs could do much behind that line this year. It's hard to run when your OL just isn't opening any holes for you. I watched both our and scUM's game against him, and more often than not, it seemed like the DL was hitting him right when, or moments after he got the ball.
What is to his advantage is he is ridiculously fast for his size, is strong and very versatile...which would be a big plus in a modern NFL offense. Put him behind a solid line, and I could see him being a Todd Gurley type in the NFL. Crowell is garbage, and while Duke is a solid receiver, he looks average, at best, as a runner.
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we had 13 TFL's against them. Their O-Line... was bad.
And you could use them both on the field at the same time since you can put Duke in the slot.. and have him be pretty much as good as a slot receiver, as well as 2 back sets. (I'm serious, not in the you could have Cardale, JT and Braxton on the field at the same time way).
I think its really fair to ask if he's worth a #4. And I guess it just comes down to how much you want to weight those many short run, or the Penn State OL.
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If they don't draft Rosen and tell him that he has A) A better Oline here than the Giants B) God willing, Josh Gordon C) A promising Njoku D) Possibly sitting behind a vet giving him time to continue to hone his gas.
Either that or draft him and trade his ass later because taking Darnold anywhere near the top 10 is career suicide.
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Given the hype and where we're talking about drafting him, I think comparisons to Eze are warranted. Esp as the media hypes him to be "the best RB in ages" and "generational". This guy couldn't hold Eze's jockstrap and wont have the same rookie success.
At the end of the day, I see a guy with the size of Beast Mode who plays like Metcalf or Reggie Bush. He shies away from contact (unlike Eze). He isn't very good at blocking (unlike Eze). He's not going to get effective yardage consistently (unlike Eze). He has a prima donna attitude, especially when the chips are down (unlike Eze). You will never see Barkley wanting to be rode like "feed me". He loses steam and gets worse in the 2nd half (which is unheard of to me for an elite RB). He does have very good hands (like Metcalf). I'd actually be more keen to put Barkley in the slot than Duke... but it's 2 RBs with the same problem and same advantages; they're arguably better receivers than runners. And on a team that has no QB... are RBs like Duke Johnson and Barkley really going to help you? We already have Duke, may as well keep him. Seems like it just puts more pressure on the QB to make big throws. 1st down, 2yds at the beginning of every series... now the QB has to get those yards.
Reality to me is, he's got all that size... and doesn't use it. He's not going to be able to run away from contact in the NFL. And he responds poorly when the hits start racking up in the 2nd half. He doesn't have that "come get it" mentality of elite RBs... he's got the prima donna "give me the ball 6 times a game in space" mentality of a WR.
Penn State's bad line is still better than Rutgers, Maryland, Indiana, etc. What are the teams they're at a disadvantage against ? Ohio State, Michigan, MSU ? (they had all new starters on the line), UW ? (I didnt watch PAC much this year). The guy had 2 impressive complete games against Iowa (where he just went off - receiving too) and Nebraska ... 2 games where you can say it was definitely Barkley who carried them. 2 games where he was in impact player in the 4th quarter. Their 2 losses, he got schemed against - and visibly threw in the towel. Draft him #1 or #3 in Cleveland with pothead and incompetent WRs being thrown to by god knows who... he'll be schemed against... and he'll get that attitude and fold.
Just watch 6min on against us. His body language. Repeatedly slow to get up. OSU staff has to help him after a routine checkdown that he dropped. Repeatedly blocking air while McSorely is getting abused. Moorhead knew it... 1st and goal up 8 and he runs QB draw twice. Cuz he knows which player will fight for yards in the trenches and which player will dance and fold.
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tsteele316
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Somebody on the Twitter did a Barkley film breakdown that showed how Barkley has a bad habit of stopping his feet behind the LOS which leads to more tfl than should be happening. The film was not flattering.
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