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Cleveland Browns (2017 Thread of Chlamydia)

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Jaxbuck said:
Forget for a second that he will have the same amount to spend next year or where the money came from.

He chose to spend 16MM this year, no matter why, he chose to spend it.

That means the choice was between A) something, or someone, else he could have bought with that 16MM and B) the 2nd round pick in '18

What, or who, else could he have bought with 16MM this year vs the typical value of a 2nd round pick is how talking heads should be framing the arguments. I don't know enough about available free agents or how to measure value produced by players to have any informed opinion.
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This is still not the proper argument because it assumes that using that $16 million for osweiler prohibiting the use of $16 million for other team related expenditures. The browns won't be turning away any desired free agents because of this trade, or refusing to extend any current players because of this cash outlay. the team rented out cap space for a 2nd round pick. from the team's standpoint, that's all that happened. Haslam's personal checking account has no bearing on this.
 
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1 year deal... either browns lied about the money they offered or it wasn't about the money

edit: sounds like a prove it deal like Jefferys in Philly... I wonder if the browns pulled that "one time offer" deal like Schwartz
 
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Buckeneye said:
So the front office is that vindictive with the 'one time offer' deal?

This is schwartzing all over again.
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At some point, and I don't understand why they didn't sort it out with Schwartz, but if the players want to stay, they need to sign. These market values aren't rocket science anymore, rosenhaus grossly overestimated his position.
 
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AuTX Buckeye said:
Browns still coulda called and kicked the tires one last time...
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What tire is there to kick when you made the best offer he got and he wouldn't take it? Id have been happy to sign both him and Britt but if they felt like they only needed one you have to get one.

Last time I bought a car, I remember a salesman calling me a week and a half after I didn't buy the car from them very excited he could now sell it to me for less than I offered. Bummer for him, I bought a different one for that price two days before. It was a good deal but I didn't need two of the same car. I gave him a better offer than he ultimately got, shit happens, he should have taken it when I offered.
 
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AuTX Buckeye said:
Browns still coulda called and kicked the tires one last time...
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It's actually a $6 million deal with $2 million in incentives that "are unlikely to be reached". Cleveland offered $8 million per, for 4 years with $2 million in incentives each year that were easily attainable. Rosenhaus convinced him to try a prove it deal with cousins and cash in next year rather than admit he blew the negotiation.
 
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tsteele316 said:
It's actually a $6 million deal with $2 million in incentives that "are unlikely to be reached". Cleveland offered $8 million per, for 4 years with $2 million in incentives each year that were easily attainable. Rosenhaus convinced him to try a prove it deal with cousins and cash in next year rather than admit he blew the negotiation.
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Given how much Cousins/Gruden like to chuck it ... it might not be a bad move... might be better than whatever QB the Browns trot out.
 
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tsteele316 said:
This is still not the proper argument because it assumes that using that $16 million for osweiler prohibiting the use of $16 million for other team related expenditures. The browns won't be turning away any desired free agents because of this trade, or refusing to extend any current players because of this cash outlay. the team rented out cap space for a 2nd round pick. from the team's standpoint, that's all that happened. Haslam's personal checking account has no bearing on this.
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forget where it comes from

you had 16 units available that you chose to use for buying a 2nd round pick next year

You now have 16 less units to do something else with so you have made a choice

it doesn't matter if you still have plenty left over, you don't have those 16 units

so if the 2nd round pick turns out to have less value than say another player you could have bought with those 16 units then you made a bad choice. If it has more value you made a good one.
 
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Jaxbuck said:
forget where it comes from

you had 16 units available that you chose to use for buying a 2nd round pick next year

You now have 16 less units to do something else with so you have made a choice

it doesn't matter if you still have plenty left over, you don't have those 16 units

so if the 2nd round pick turns out to have less value than say another player you could have bought with those 16 units then you made a bad choice. If it has more value you made a good one.
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Except those 16 units would have otherwise sat in storage if not used. There is no either or scenario here.
 
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