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Cleveland Browns (2016 thread of unrelenting dumpster conflagration)

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Bucklion said:
The Browns had the #4 pick and traded it
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You are correct, Mack was taken at #5 (not #4), Heck they could have had Mack or Watkins:

The Cleveland Browns kicked off the 2014 draft by making a blockbuster trade with the Buffalo Bills.

Passing on Texas A&M quarterback Johnny Manziel, Clemson receiver Sammy Watkins and Buffalo linebacker Khalil Mack, the Browns moved down from No. 4 to No. 9 and picked up the Bills' first- and fourth-rounders in 2015.

It will give the Browns a second first-round pick for the third time in the past four drafts.

The Bills selected Watkins at No. 4, and the Browns are expected to look hard at a cornerback at No. 9, possibly Darqueze Dennard of Michigan State or Justin Gilbert of Oklahoma State.

Mack went to the Raiders at No. 5.

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2014/05/cleveland_browns_trade_no_4_ov.html
 
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ScriptOhio said:
You are correct, Mack was taken at #5 (not #4), Heck they could have had Mack or Watkins:

The Cleveland Browns kicked off the 2014 draft by making a blockbuster trade with the Buffalo Bills.

Passing on Texas A&M quarterback Johnny Manziel, Clemson receiver Sammy Watkins and Buffalo linebacker Khalil Mack, the Browns moved down from No. 4 to No. 9 and picked up the Bills' first- and fourth-rounders in 2015.

It will give the Browns a second first-round pick for the third time in the past four drafts.

The Bills selected Watkins at No. 4, and the Browns are expected to look hard at a cornerback at No. 9, possibly Darqueze Dennard of Michigan State or Justin Gilbert of Oklahoma State.

Mack went to the Raiders at No. 5.

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2014/05/cleveland_browns_trade_no_4_ov.html
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I really didn't want Watkins and I stick to that since he is a slightly better version of the 3 slot dots that we already have. I would have taken Mack, but I still like the trade down. The only thing I don't like is how we wasted all of those picks. If you go back and take Beckham Jr. and Bridgewater it's a different story. The sad thing is Bridgewater was their highest rated QB.
 
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NFBuck said:
Seriously, has any team in NFL history had 4 first round picks in 2 years and got less?
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It's worse. The team has had 7...count them, 7...1st rounders over the past 4 drafts. Those players? Trent Richardson, Brandon Weeden, Mingo, Gilbert, Manziel, Shelton, and Erving. Look at the improvement the Bucs made with just a couple, and their own fans think their organization is shit, but they look like the 90s Bulls next to this bitchfest. I would venture that no team has completely blown 7 first rounders in 4 years in any sport like that.
 
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Bucklion said:
It's worse. The team has had 7...count them, 7...1st rounders over the past 4 drafts. Those players? Trent Richardson, Brandon Weeden, Mingo, Gilbert, Manziel, Shelton, and Erving. Look at the improvement the Bucs made with just a couple, and their own fans think their organization is [Mark May], but they look like the 90s Bulls next to this bitchfest. I would venture that no team has completely blown 7 first rounders in 4 years in any sport like that.
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They are a special kind of stupid. Here's their 1st round picks since the rebirth...asterisks indicate a guy that (subjectively) lived up to his draft position:

1999: Tim Couch (1)
2000: Courtney Brown (1)
2001: Gerard Warren (3)
2002: William Green (16)
2003: * Jeff Faine (21)
2004: Kellen Winslow II (6)
2005: Braylon Edwards (3)
2006: Kamerion Wimbley (13)
2007: * Joe Thomas (3)
Brady Quinn (22)
2009: * Alex Mack (21)
2010: * Joe Haden (7)
2011: Phil Taylor (21)
2012: Trent Richardson (3)
Brandon Weeden (22)
2013: Barkevious Mingo (6)
2014: Justin Gilbert (8)
Johnny Manziel (22)
2015: Danny Shelton (12)
Cameron Erving

So, since the rebirth, you could argue they have only "hit" on 4/21 first round picks, or 19%. That is essentially impossible to do without ACTIVELY trying to fuck up. They haven't received shit from a first rounder since 2010. You could argue Phil Taylor had some moments, but for the most part he busted. Richardson and Weeden busted spectacularly. A big deal was made of fleecing the colts of a 1st rounder for Richardson, but they turned that into Manziel...flop. Mingo is garbage. Gilbert is terrible. Shelton may turn out okay, but he did little as a rookie, and Erving is one of the worst OL that they've had...and that's really saying something.

Of 21 1st rounders, only five have made the Pro Bowl-- Thomas, Mack, Haden, Edwards and Winslow. Edwards and Winslow were only after that fluke 2007 season, and they both reverted back to hot garbage the next season. Faine was a Pro Bowl alternate with New Orleans in 2007.

But I'm sure bringing in the Money Ball guy will change everything. :lol: Hell, at least they're trying something different. It's obvious the "football guys" they've tried haven't worked.
 
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I am optimistic.

Looking at our draft history, we can't do much worse statistically.

The problem again though is when we miss, we miss in the upper part of the first round and lock up these fuckers with big cap numbers and playing time to let it all pan out, which it never does.


If I were a stats guy pretending to be a Football Man, I'd trade the fuck down and then down and down some more.

I have no reason to take on risk. One great player isn't going to do shit for the Browns. We are 15 solid players away from being 0.500 still. Give us the best player in the draft for the past 5 or 6 years after the fact and we'd still be home for the playoffs.


I have never done the work on the draft pay scale but I know it is slotted based on position in round for the most part. If I were the analytics guy, I would look at value from the various rounds and picks versus salary versus production. My gut says my Browns team would have no first round picks and have plenty of thirds and fourths to rebuild with. With a lower cap number coming out of the draft, maybe we can supplement with a low risk low dollar high impact vet or two like a punter like Andy Lee or a cheap safety or center or whatnot. Nothing glamorous, we are the Browns. My big name hire is Jim Tressel of course.


You know what, fuck it, I hope we hire the 76ers dude too and try to run their rebuild strategy but with less seven footers and injury problems.
 
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BIATCHabutuka said:
I am optimistic.

Looking at our draft history, we can't do much worse statistically.
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Reading back over this I got that feeling that a hoops announcer must have when he comments that a player is 8 of 8 from the line tonight before back ironing one. QB at number 2 here we come. No matter who it is, he will suck if he is a Browns QB. Why would we ever draft a Browns QB. We need to get other teams QBs.
 
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Top Coaching Target gone... Gase to Miami... we'll hear now how he wasn't a top target after basically hearing since before the end of the season the Browns would make a run at Gase... Guess Moneyball told them to take there time and look around because there is some outstanding high school coaches that fit the model they are looking for.
 
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