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Cleveland Browns (2016 thread of unrelenting dumpster conflagration)

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I do not think Wentz would be the #1 overall QB on PFF or any other site if he were playing for the Browns. You just cannot throw the football when you are being blown up by DL every other play. McCown is one tough son of a bitch and until the Browns address the OL in the draft getting the best QB available is not going to help.
 
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LitlBuck said:
I do not think Wentz would be the #1 overall QB on PFF or any other site if he were playing for the Browns. You just cannot throw the football when you are being blown up by DL every other play. McCown is one tough son of a bitch and until the Browns address the OL in the draft getting the best QB available is not going to help.
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Tim Couch.. is that you?
 
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I saw this and thought it funny:

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Buckeneye said:
1 maybe 2 wins is ok with me. For having a team with a ton of 1st and 2nd year players, they showed heart yesterday. Danny played quite well on the interior, Nate had a few nice plays. Nassib continues to show the motor
he just needs work on a secondary move and stacking/shedding. Kindred has been a nice find especially as a 5th DB on early downs. He's not afraid of contact or being in the box so we can still be aggressive against the run.

Joe was looking a bit like himself yesterday, big time on that first pick. He read the pattern all day long. Taylor opened up too early on that TD pass, double move got him well. Kirksey was flying around yesterday, if our backers
could be just a bit more active in underneath coverage...

CC looked explosive, Pryor is a physical mismatch, Hawk did some good things early on along with Barney being reliable. Having Gordon back can only make things better.

I don't see this team as having year 1 expansion type dearth of talent. We need a QB, but more importantly we need a center (Cam out so probably addition by subtraction) and we need to either address RT in the draft or hope Shon gets healthy quick and shows why I liked him in the draft. As it stands from C to RT is getting our QB's killed. [Mark May], this offense actually looked explosive when McCown had time to throw.

I know there will bad days ahead this season, but its a necessary evil. If a franchise QB presents himself, and you can get protection for him meanwhile improving the front 7 and depth on that backend... this team might not suck in due time.
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While I agree with much of what you have said, the problem the Browns are going to have with all of these young players and draft picks is 4 years or less down the road when most of these younger players will become free agents. I know the Browns have quite a bit of cap space currently but these young guys are going to want to be paid down the road. I know that it is 3-4 years away, but it is still going to be a problem.
 
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jwinslow said:
It was noble of the browns to not deprive the league of one of the few potential franchise QBs reaching the league in the next few years. He'd be in the gurney by week 4 if he were a brown.
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The Browns will have the same OL problems next season, with Joe Thomas being one more year past his prime. Good luck to Kizer, Watson, etc.

EDIT: And maybe it wasn't such a good idea to let Mack and Schwartz walk. The OL would look quite a bit better with those two plugged in. But analytics, or whatever.
 
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LitlBuck said:
I do not think Wentz would be the #1 overall QB on PFF or any other site if he were playing for the Browns. You just cannot throw the football when you are being blown up by DL every other play. McCown is one tough son of a bitch and until the Browns address the OL in the draft getting the best QB available is not going to help.
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The Browns have been addressing the OL in the draft. It's the one area where they've actually drafted well: Thomas (1st in 2007); Mack (1st in 2009); Schwartz (2nd in 2012); and Bitonio (2nd in 2014) formed a good nucleus for an offensive line. But the analytics gurus saw fit to blow it up and start over.

And this is how the vicious circle perpetuates itself: You don't draft a potential franchise QB because your OL sucks, by the time your OL is decent you no longer have the opportunity to draft the potential franchise QB. Same argument holds true for offensive weapons. Same argument holds true for the defense. You're never going to have a really good team AND the opportunity to draft a potential franchise QB. You want to focus on the other 21 guys and hope that a Trent Dilfer can take you to a Super Bowl, be my guest. It happens once every decade or two.

At some point the Browns will have to draft a potential franchise QB throw him into the fire, bad OL, no running game, thin WR corps, whatever the case may be. That's the way it works in the NFL. You don't wait for the perfect situation and then try to find a QB.

And when they do pick their QB, the lawyer, the baseball guy, and their hillbilly boss better get it right because it certainly looks like they whiffed on Carson Wentz.
 
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There's also nothing wrong taking your franchise QB and sitting him a year if the Oline is going to get him shell shocked.

Fuck the bulk of Browns fans that would boo until they see the rookie play - they're the lot that clamored for Manziel over Hoyer. Ignore the boos or cheers and think about the longevity of your product.

Of course if Haslam was conscious of longevity he never would have picked Johnny jackass to begin with.

Short sighted decisions have deeply cost this team in recent years. Weeden, Manziel, Erving, letting Sheard and Mitch walk....
 
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Golic was talking about the Wentz grade this morning by the Browns and said that they fired the scouts that gave him a bad grade....Which way is it....In either event I don't think Wentz would be the QB he is showing to be on the Browns. Look at the Pats putting in a rookie that the Browns could have potentially drafted over Kessler. What were the scout ratings there or the rating on Dak Prescott?
 
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