Cleveland Browns (2013 Season)

[Bucklion]

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/writer...s-trade-for-richardson-is-a-bold-but-bad-move

Well Pete Prisco thinks the Colts got hosed...which means that Richardson will pass Barry Sanders in about 8 years and the Colts will win about 7 Super Bowls.

 

[Mike80]

Err? Doug Martin?

Yeah I missed him, hell it was late/early depending on how you want to look at it.

But if you want to have a gander at his stats, on the games he went off, Tampa was at least competitive. When he didn't they by and large weren't. For an even bigger example of this (it's with Tampa and Freeman) look at the difference between 2010 and 2011 seasons.

Weeden is a flop. TR hadn't had the chance to flop and now he's going to at least have a shot at playing for a competitive team. I'm glad he's gone - for his sake. Now if the Browns are truly quitting, they need to find Joe Thomas a competitive suitor. Haden can stay - he's still young enough that this franchise might unfuck itse.....nevermind, trade him too.

 

[Piney]

That was the old browns... now they'll trade their 7 picks in the first 3 rounds to get #1 or #2....

Oh, I know they will trade up... But that means all the holese will take an extra year to get filled. Which is why I prefer to not need to. Either getting #1 OR hoping the front office view the Top 3 QBs as interchangeable meaning they can sit at pick 3-5 and pick a guy. Cuz really... if Bridgewater is sure fire #1... can the Browns front office be happy getting Boyd at #3? I don't see a big difference between the two. The difference is giving up a ton of picks to get one over the other. (Just using Bridgewater/Boyd as examples... Mariota/Manziel/Murray can also be in the discussion)

 

[Mike80]

which of those guys with the exception of SD, used a top 5 pick on that rb? 2nd rounders, trades, and late round or UDFA pick ups.

Even when MJD was healthy and running well two years ago, Jax was still terrible.
Doug Martin was a monster last year. But Tampa is basically the browns of the south on offense, despite having much more talent, which further illustrates why a qb trumps all, especially a 1st round rb.
Chad Henne was in Jax last year, not miami. and miami still isn't running the ball well, but somehow they are scoring points and are 2-0.

The pick doesn't matter really, it's about having a solid running game to support the QB. BTW I'm pretty sure Marshall Faulk was the 2nd pick overall for the Colts. And edgerrin James was the 4th overall pick in 1999. Anywho, they had a solid RB and we will have another rookie QB next year. The cycle is resetting for the next 3 years and we aren't even 6 months out of the previous reset yet. Just watch.

And I shouldn't say it's fool proof - sometimes bad teams are bad teams or if the QB isn't going to amount to anything, and Blaine Gabbert won't, having a solid running game won't matter much. But in any era of the NFL, having a running game is still very important.

Richardson wasn't the problem. This trade is straight out of some stupid LOLbardi 8-ball scheme.

 

[tsteele316]

The pick doesn't matter really, it's about having a solid running game to support the QB. BTW I'm pretty sure Marshall Faulk was the 2nd pick overall for the Colts. And edgerrin James was the 4th overall pick in 1999. Anywho, they had a solid RB and we will have another rookie QB next year. The cycle is resetting for the next 3 years and we aren't even 6 months out of the previous reset yet. Just watch.

And I shouldn't say it's fool proof - sometimes bad teams are bad teams or if the QB isn't going to amount to anything, and Blaine Gabbert won't, having a solid running game won't matter much. But in any era of the NFL, having a running game is still very important.

Richardson wasn't the problem. This trade is straight out of some stupid LOLbardi 8-ball scheme.

actually, the point is that you can have a solid running game with a bargain basement draft pick or FA pickup. The NFL has shown that more than anything else. if cleveland drafts a qb, then bolsters the OL, the rb won't matter one bit. but they needed the ammo to make sure the first two parts happen.

 

[Mike80]

actually, the point is that you can have a solid running game with a bargain basement draft pick or FA pickup. The NFL has shown that more than anything else. if cleveland drafts a qb, then bolsters the OL, the rb won't matter one bit. but they needed the ammo to make sure the first two parts happen.

But why waste a pick already made on a younger player? Unless you have some serious faith that they won't fuck up this 1st rounder they got, that is....

If this were a shooting range and these stupid fuckers had ammo, the safest place to be would be DIRECTLY in front of them. I feel bad for whoever the next QB through the mill will be next year, Joe Thomas, anyone with any talent on the defense and Chud. In that order. This franchise is a fucking disgrace and a laughing stock and this trade brings it all out for everyone but the biggest homers to see.

 

[NJ-Buckeye]

I suspect Jim Brown is very happy and could have been influential in this... didn't he initially say Richardson was average?

 

[Mike80]

Mere hours after the Cleveland Browns traded one of the faces of the organization Wednesday, the team began to assess how to make all traces of running back Trent Richardson vanish.

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AP Photo/Tony DejakCleveland Browns fans with No. 33 Trent Richardson jerseys are in need of a new apparel option after the running back was traded to the Indianapolis Colts on Wednesday.
"We began the process last night and will take a good 24 hours to take inventory and make some decisions," team spokesman Zak Gilbert said Thursday.

It should be relatively easy for the team to take Richardson's photo off the front of its official app and on some of the pages of the team website. A more costly process would be to republish the team's pocket schedules, which feature Richardson on the front.

Gilbert acknowledged the team will also have to make a sweep of the stadium to look for signs of Richardson. The team has time on its side as there isn't another home game until Sept. 29.

Although many Browns fans will have to relegate their No. 33 jerseys to the closet, Richardson wasn't a popular national buy. He wasn't in the top 25 most-popular jerseys bought this offseason, as compiled by the NFL.

Richardson was in one national commercial in a Browns uniform, but the ad, which promotes NFL.com's fantasy football site, has run its course, league spokesman Brian McCarthy said.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/9692758/cleveland-browns-begin-task-hiding-trent-richardson-past

 

[Bucklion]

actually, the point is that you can have a solid running game with a bargain basement draft pick or FA pickup. The NFL has shown that more than anything else. if cleveland drafts a qb, then bolsters the OL, the rb won't matter one bit. but they needed the ammo to make sure the first two parts happen.

Except if that were the case...would the Colts have wanted to trade for Trent? They have bargain basement players (Brown), and they have a FA pickup (Bradshaw) and they traded for him anyway. One can debate the merit of doing so, but clearly they didn't think the backs they had were good enough. Arizona is also testing that theory with Mendenhall...and the Steelers running game is in shambles. OTOH the other Richardson looks OK in StL and the Law Firm.Bernard will probably be fine in Cincy. It's kind of a mixed bag, but it's not like you can just throw anyone back there and it will always work.

 

[tsteele316]

But why waste a pick already made on a younger player? Unless you have some serious faith that they won't fuck up this 1st rounder they got, that is....

If this were a shooting range and these stupid fuckers had ammo, the safest place to be would be DIRECTLY in front of them. I feel bad for whoever the next QB through the mill will be next year, Joe Thomas, anyone with any talent on the defense and Chud. In that order. This franchise is a fucking disgrace and a laughing stock and this trade brings it all out for everyone but the biggest homers to see.

why keep trotting out a back that is going to muster 3.4 ypc, provided he doesn't get injured yet again? whining about potential draft failures is really not worthy of discussion at this point as this regime has selected one guy in the top 3 rounds so far, and in his one game, he's been an impact player, and you certainly can't argue with their free agency selections. so, until they actually blunder a draft, there's no real point in whining about them doing so, outside of the tired typical refrains of 14 years of failure ect....

 

[tsteele316]

Except if that were the case...would the Colts have wanted to trade for Trent? They have bargain basement players (Brown), and they have a FA pickup (Bradshaw) and they traded for him anyway. One can debate the merit of doing so, but clearly they didn't think the backs they had were good enough. Arizona is also testing that theory with Mendenhall...and the Steelers running game is in shambles. OTOH the other Richardson looks OK in StL and the Law Firm.Bernard will probably be fine in Cincy. It's kind of a mixed bag, but it's not like you can just throw anyone back there and it will always work.

pittsburgh's ol is a mess and their top rb is injured. do you really think indy trades for trent richardson if their starter and bargain draft pick back, vick ballard, isn't lost for the season? absolutely not.

 

[Mike80]

why keep trotting out a back that is going to muster 3.4 ypc, provided he doesn't get injured yet again? whining about potential draft failures is really not worthy of discussion at this point as this regime has selected one guy in the top 3 rounds so far, and in his one game, he's been an impact player, and you certainly can't argue with their free agency selections. so, until they actually blunder a draft, there's no real point in whining about them doing so, outside of the tired typical refrains of 14 years of failure ect....

How many NFL hall of fame RBs would average much better than that behind this shitty offensive line? I have the answer. One. And I'm not saying Richardson was Barry Sanders either.

It's a retarded, indefensible move.

 

[Mike80]

pittsburgh's ol is a mess and their top rb is injured. do you really think indy trades for trent richardson if their starter and bargain draft pick back, vick ballard, isn't lost for the season? absolutely not.

So shitzburgh gets a pass for their OL being shitty, but Richardson doesn't? ok then.....

 

[ArmyVet83]

Oh, I know they will trade up... But that means all the holese will take an extra year to get filled. Which is why I prefer to not need to. Either getting #1 OR hoping the front office view the Top 3 QBs as interchangeable meaning they can sit at pick 3-5 and pick a guy. Cuz really... if Bridgewater is sure fire #1... can the Browns front office be happy getting Boyd at #3? I don't see a big difference between the two. The difference is giving up a ton of picks to get one over the other. (Just using Bridgewater/Boyd as examples... Mariota/Manziel/Murray can also be in the discussion)

I really hope they learned their lesson about trading up last year. They need to stand pat or trade down as appropriate and collect more picks (exception not the rule depending on the draft board). In retrospect, I am glad they didn't trade the farm to move and get RGIII ( a great talent but too injury prone). I am disappointed they traded up to get Trent (and trade him a year and two games later). I hope they do not trade up to get any single player next year (or any other year unless you have the assets to do it). Too may holes to fill (QB, RB, WR, OL, CB, S) and they could have done so much better over the last three drafts to address this problem. Personally, I think the problem is on the overall talent evaluation by the scouts and management. Too many reaches. Management has work to do...a lot of work to do.

 

[Bucklion]

pittsburgh's ol is a mess and their top rb is injured. do you really think indy trades for trent richardson if their starter and bargain draft pick back, vick ballard, isn't lost for the season? absolutely not.

Their top RB has never played an NFL game, hard to exactly say he will light it up when he comes back. Yes their OL is a mess, but the Colts isn't terrible...no, they wouldn't have traded for Trent if Ballard didn't get hurt, but clearly they aren't happy with anyone else they have.