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Cleveland Browns (2012 season)

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y0yoyoin;2124099; said:
your opinion on how to build a team is the exact opposite of how i feel you need to build a team...bottom line is you need a QB who is going to lead your team to a super bowl...you can build how the browns will now, add peices here and there and then go thru the QB carousel every year with FA or the draft until you get lucky and hit Tom Brady...this usually happens once every 50 years and the browns already hit theirs when they got Bernie in the supplemental draft...not going to happen again anytime soon...sooner or later your going to have to give up and draft a "franchise" QB in the early first round...colt mccoy is not going to lead us to a superbowl IMO...and the browns wouldnt of offered the deal to STL if they thought that also
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Fuck the goddamn super bowl, I want a .500 football team FIRST. RGIII wouldn't get that done with the crap he'd be surrounded with and your idea of "building a team" seems very much focused on a "quick fix" instead of building a core for a team that will be around for a while. Again, look at Shitzburgh and Baltimore if you want examples of how I'd build a team and oh wait, THEY make the fucking playoffs with regularity.

we will see how well the redskins do...if RGIII is as good as everyone thinks he can be then i believe they will make the playoffs in 2 years...so your talking about a pick in the 18-25 range...the panthers absolutely sucked, drafted cam newton and went 6-10 and should compete for a wild card playoff spot next year...it happens...guess we will find out soon enough...trust me i will be rooting for RGIII to fail because i would hate to hear the shit storm that will come if RGIII excedes expectations, and the browns were late to the party and shit the bed...regardless of if you feel if it was too much to offer for him or not, the browns offered a similar deal and lost
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If RGIII makes the playoffs with the bullshit he's surrounded with in the NFC it would be an absolute shock. The Redskins, honestly, suck. And they've now given up what will be 3 top 10 picks and a 2nd rounder to move up 4 spots to get a guy who has the skills but won't have the people around him.

It's about putting people in a position to succeed. RGIII is set up for failure in DC much like he would be in Cleveland. I'm friggin GLAD he isn't coming here, I'd rather he not be yet another failed QB in Cleveland which is EXACTLY what he'd be.
 
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BuckeyeMike80;2124133; said:
If RGIII makes the playoffs with the bullshit he's surrounded with in the NFC it would be an absolute shock.
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If I'm not mistaken, Cam Newton just had the best season ever for a rookie QB on the way to leading his team to an epic 6-10 non playoff-run.

In the extremely unlikely scenario that RGIII matches that, you're still looking at below .500 at best.
 
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OneBuckeye;2124156; said:
Ok. I took Mo C LSU DB with the number 4 pick in the BP draft. I felt he was the BPA. Who do you want at 4, and who should I consider at 22?

I am looking at taking the BPA at RB OT WR and DE at that pick.
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I agree wholeheartedly with what buckiprof posted at the top of this page. I've been on the Claiborne bandwagon all along. If RGIII fell to us at 4, I was ok with taking him, but this team has too many holes to give up the package it took.

The decision at 22 boils down to one of 4 players for me (assuming Michael Floyd doesn't fall): Whitney Mercilus, Courtney Upshaw, Stephen Hill, Kendall Wright.

At 37, you'd be looking to fill the position you didn't take at 22 with guys like Alshon Jeffery, Reuben Randle, or Mohammed Sanu at WR and Andre Branch, Vinny Curry, Zach Brown, or Ronnell Lewis at DE/OLB.

I'm personally hoping for an Upshaw/Jeffery combo, but I don't see Upshaw (or Mercilus for that matter) falling to 22, which leaves us the two WRs. I liked what I saw from Hill at the combine and the little game film I've seen on him. Would have to rely on the scouts to make the call between him and Wright though.
 
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Buckeye86;2124134; said:
If I'm not mistaken, Cam Newton just had the best season ever for a rookie QB on the way to leading his team to an epic 6-10 non playoff-run.

In the extremely unlikely scenario that RGIII matches that, you're still looking at below .500 at best.
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You are correct.

Bad teams aren't bad because they are missing a franchise QB. Bad teams are bad teams because they are bad teams period. No singular position is a magic bullet when you have holes like the Redskins and Browns and Panthers and Jaguars, etc do.
 
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If I were the Browns I would find out who the Rams want (Blackmon?) and from here until the draft I would tell everyone how great he is. Best case they con the Ram into giving up Washington's second rounder to move up 2 spots to make sure they get their guy. The Browns can then take whichever is left out of Claiborne or Richardson at 6. If Floyd starts to fall I would call every team and offer the 22 and a second rounder to move up and get him until someone takes him.
We'll have to see how free agency ends up for the Browns to see if they fill any holes, but they need #1 WR, OLB, DE, RT and would like to have RB, CB, and another OLB.
 
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exhawg;2124456; said:
If I were the Browns I would find out who the Rams want (Blackmon?) and from here until the draft I would tell everyone how great he is. Best case they con the Ram into giving up Washington's second rounder to move up 2 spots to make sure they get their guy. The Browns can then take whichever is left out of Claiborne or Richardson at 6. If Floyd starts to fall I would call every team and offer the 22 and a second rounder to move up and get him until someone takes him.
We'll have to see how free agency ends up for the Browns to see if they fill any holes, but they need #1 WR, OLB, DE, RT and would like to have RB, CB, and another OLB.
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Would you trade down if the Rams wanted Claiborne and offered #6 & either of their 2nd round picks.... I would I think the more picks the better people say this draft isn't that deep in alot of positions but we need help everywhere.
 
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AuTX Buckeye;2124461; said:
Would you trade down if the Rams wanted Claiborne and offered #6 & either of their 2nd round picks.... I would I think the more picks the better people say this draft isn't that deep in alot of positions but we need help everywhere.
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i would deffinitly do that...i would feel more comfortable taking blackmon/richardson with the #6 pick then at #4
 
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wow... SB nation must have gone all Dan Synder on their mock draft
http://www.sbnation.com/2012-nfl-draft/2012/3/12/2863336/2012-nfl-mock-draft-free-agency?sct=hp_bf3_a2
4. Cleveland Browns, Ryan Tannehill, QB, Texas A&M

Leave it to the Cleveland Browns to find a way to lose in March. After letting Washington woo second pick away from the Rams, the Browns should be a little panicked. Tannehill has the makings of a fine NFL quarterback. A poor substitute for what might have been, but it is a least a step forward. Can he buy the leadership there another year?

22. Cleveland Browns, Whitney Mercilus, DE, Illinois

Quick, find the best long snapper, commit his name to memory and do not be at all surprised if the Browns draft him here. This is the direction their offseason is headed. They could take a receiver here, but Pat Shurmur can find someone like Mohamed Sanu waiting in the second round, a better fit for his West Coast Offense. Having another pass rusher improves an already decent defense.
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this is what i FEAR most... hopefully H&H wont let it happen
 
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