Cleveland Browns (2012 season)

[NFBuck]

I guess I don't understand why St. Louis turned down the Cleveland offer if it indeed was 3 first-round selections desk I see when 2 of them are this year. I would think that would out weigh the second round pick that the Redskins have added. All of the first-round selections are spread over 3 years. However, I am pleased that the Browns did not try to outbid the Redskins. In my mind, that would have sent this franchise back even further.

If we cannot trade down from the fourth pick, I guess I would take Claiborne. It is more of a value pick for that slot. If they can trade down, I really like Richardson but since their cap money has dwindled a little bit they might have to take Blackmon with the fourth pick. There is certainly a lot of chatter about Tannehill and I really don't like.

Just guessing here, but I think the Rams see next year's first rounders as more appealing because, overall, this is a pretty weak draft class.

justin blackmon barely beat his qb in cone drills. people need to get over the infatuation with him.

I agree. I really liked Blackmon a month or two ago, but, his combine/pro day numbers were somewhat underwhelming for a guy that you're thinking of taking top-5. He's alarmingly close to Crabtree in almost every category, and Crabtree's been a major flop. He likely isn't getting past #6, though. So, my thinking is...if they stay at #4, Claiborne. I like the idea of pairing him with Haden...that could very well be Dixon/Minnifield part two. But, my preference would be to trade down a few spots and nab Richardson in the 10-12 range. Then, grab the best WR available at #22...or maybe a RT. Take a flier on a QB in the 2nd/3rd round...maybe Weedon.

I'm torn on Flynn...the guy comes from a good system and developer of qbs, has a championship pedigree...but it'll probably be a bidding war with Seattle.

 

[Bucklion]

I want two shutdown corners. Claiborne or trade down to get a guy like Richardson...I would like them to use the #4 on someone who can really help the team like Haden does. If they trade down that's fine, but not too far, we need playmakers, not lineman at 25-32, right now, so I don't like making trades like the Sanchez one again.

 

[Bucklion]

BTW I think Blackmon is a good player, but like RGIII, he will never be worth the price.

 

[NFBuck]

BTW, lets not look past how epically stupid Washington is. To move up FOUR spots, they will not have a 1st round pick until 2015, and they gave up their 2nd this year as well. If the clowns did that, I'd be shopping for a new team.

It's easy to say the skins could just build through free agency, but go back and look at their FA history since Dan Snyder took over. It's horrifying. They better hope Griffin is capable of single-handedly carrying a team, because if he's not a superstar, they're [censored]ed for a decade. People say he's the new Al Davis...I think he's worse. That's the kind of trade that can cripple an organization for years...

Side note...St. Louis has set themselves up to really stock their roster. Bradford looked good as a rookie, so get him some weapons, improve the defense, and they've put themselves in very a good position...

 

[y0yoyoin]

BTW, lets not look past how epically stupid Washington is. To move up FOUR spots, they will not have a 1st round pick until 2015, and they gave up their 2nd this year as well. If the clowns did that, I'd be shopping for a new team.

It's easy to say the skins could just build through free agency, but go back and look at their FA history since Dan Snyder took over. It's horrifying. They better hope Griffin is capable of single-handedly carrying a team, because if he's not a superstar, they're [censored]ed for a decade. People say he's the new Al Davis...I think he's worse. That's the kind of trade that can cripple an organization for years...

Side note...St. Louis has set themselves up to really stock their roster. Bradford looked good as a rookie, so get him some weapons, improve the defense, and they've put themselves in very a good position...

agree, but alot of people arent looking at: what if RGIII is the second coming of christ?...this trade will look like a steal...i mean does anyone really remember what Eli Manning was traded for? Washington's 1st round picks arent going to look so hot to STL when they are in the 18-25 range...and that could come as soon as next year...i like RGIII as a person but i am now to the point where i am totally rooting for him to fail...and fail bad...last thing cleveland needs is another "the" term to decide their shitty legacy...so i hope we never have to here about "The RGIII"

 

[NFBuck]

agree, but alot of people arent looking at: what if RGIII is the second coming of christ?...this trade will look like a steal...i mean does anyone really remember what Eli Manning was traded for? Washington's 1st round picks arent going to look so hot to STL when they are in the 18-25 range...and that could come as soon as next year...i like RGIII as a person but i am now to the point where i am totally rooting for him to fail...and fail bad...last thing cleveland needs is another "the" term to decide their [Mark May]ty legacy...so i hope we never have to here about "The RGIII"

I think you're giving Washington way too much credit here. No way they're picking that low next year. They have a lot of holes to fill without many draft choices now, and are looking at a rookie under center. Few teams that don't already have stacked rosters succeed with rookie QBs. They don't know who's gonna be their RB, their OL is mediocre, aside from Fred Davis, their WRs are old. Their defense isn't anything to write home about. I wouldn't be surprised to see them overspend on somebody like Vincent Jackson, who is very overrated, IMO, and has been a lockerroom cancer in San Diego. The guy has never even caught 70 passes playing with one of the better qbs in the nfl the past five years.

Also, even if he becomes a fantastic QB, I don't think anybody will begrudge the clowns for not breaking the bank to move up for him. H&H clearly have a plan for building the team through the draft, and dealing away a ton of early picks handcuffs them the next couple of years. I like Flynn, so I'm kind of hoping they go that direction if the price isn't too ridiculous. Get him, add some weapons in this draft, keep filling holes through the draft and FA...that's the best move, IMO. Dealing away most of your high picks over the next couple years sticks them in neutral, again...

 

[jlb1705]

agree, but alot of people arent looking at: what if RGIII is the second coming of christ?...this trade will look like a steal...i mean does anyone really remember what Eli Manning was traded for? Washington's 1st round picks arent going to look so hot to STL when they are in the 18-25 range...and that could come as soon as next year...i like RGIII as a person but i am now to the point where i am totally rooting for him to fail...and fail bad...last thing cleveland needs is another "the" term to decide their shitty legacy...so i hope we never have to here about "The RGIII"

Teams often are too favorable in their self-assessment when they give up draft picks like that.

It's like the student who gets a 1.7 GPA in fifteen credit hours, and then the next semester wants to sign up for 18-20 because somehow they can't imagine themselves getting anything less than a 4.0 if the double-down and try again - nevermind that nothing about their approach or circumstances has changed.

Everybody who trades away top picks like that convinces themselves that they're not actually giving up that much because the trade will put them on the upswing. How many teams does that actually come true for?

The New York Giants are not a great comparison. They weren't aiming to climb out of the cellar so much as bounce back. They already had a lot of pieces in place. At the time they traded for Manning the were just one season removed from their most recent playoff appearance. They were just three seasons removed from a Super Bowl appearance. Before the bottom fell out in 2003, they had won at least seven games for six consecutive seasons.

 

[Mac]

BTW, lets not look past how epically stupid Washington is. To move up FOUR spots, they will not have a 1st round pick until 2015, and they gave up their 2nd this year as well. If the clowns did that, I'd be shopping for a new team.

I'd be looking for a new team as well. Thank god we didn't do the deal.

Now here's another thing (and it is a bit out there).

Manning signs with Denver. No need for Tebow anymore. Trade Tebow? Browns trade for Tebow? Tebow leads Browns to greatness

 

[NFBuck]

I'd be looking for a new team as well. Thank god we didn't do the deal.

Now here's another thing (and it is a bit out there).

Manning signs with Denver. No need for Tebow anymore. Trade Tebow? Browns trade for Tebow? Tebow leads Browns to greatness

No thank you. Tebow is a novelty that is going to pass. If the stillers don't go full retard defensively, nobody is talking about him anymore. I could have matched his numbers in that game with the coverages they were throwing at him.

 

[Mike80]

agree, but alot of people arent looking at: what if RGIII is the second coming of christ?...this trade will look like a steal...i mean does anyone really remember what Eli Manning was traded for? Washington's 1st round picks arent going to look so hot to STL when they are in the 18-25 range...and that could come as soon as next year...i like RGIII as a person but i am now to the point where i am totally rooting for him to fail...and fail bad...last thing cleveland needs is another "the" term to decide their shitty legacy...so i hope we never have to here about "The RGIII"

You're really butt-hurt that RGIII isn't coming to Cleveland, aren't you?

Washington won't be drafting in the 18-25 range in the next 3 years. For one, the NFC East is too competitive and they are clearly the worst team. For another, they suck. Their FA pickups have been dismal, they have issues all over the field and not just at QB, and even worse they have a meddling owner who will over-rule his GM and his head coach.

Cleveland needs those picks a lot more than they need a brand new QB. You can win with a mediocre QB but a strong team elsewhere. The Browns are no where near a "strong team" anywhere else, and trading those picks away should ensure that would continue. At this point getting back to .500 should be the goal, not trying their hand at catching lightning in the bottle but continually being 5-11 or 6-10.

 

[Mike80]

I'd be looking for a new team as well. Thank god we didn't do the deal.

Now here's another thing (and it is a bit out there).

Manning signs with Denver. No need for Tebow anymore. Trade Tebow? Browns trade for Tebow? Tebow leads Browns to greatness

No thank you. Tebow is a novelty that is going to pass. If the stillers don't go full retard defensively, nobody is talking about him anymore. I could have matched his numbers in that game with the coverages they were throwing at him.

This - wait until Brax is NFL-ready in 2014

There will be no excuse for the offense and defense to have the holes they do by then AND it's not like RGIII or Tebow or anyone short of Michael Vick on Madden 2004 would make this team anything better than 7-9 in that timeframe anyway.

 

[y0yoyoin]

You're really butt-hurt that RGIII isn't coming to Cleveland, aren't you?

Washington won't be drafting in the 18-25 range in the next 3 years. For one, the NFC East is too competitive and they are clearly the worst team. For another, they suck. Their FA pickups have been dismal, they have issues all over the field and not just at QB, and even worse they have a meddling owner who will over-rule his GM and his head coach.

Cleveland needs those picks a lot more than they need a brand new QB. You can win with a mediocre QB but a strong team elsewhere. The Browns are no where near a "strong team" anywhere else, and trading those picks away should ensure that would continue. At this point getting back to .500 should be the goal, not trying their hand at catching lightning in the bottle but continually being 5-11 or 6-10.

your opinion on how to build a team is the exact opposite of how i feel you need to build a team...bottom line is you need a QB who is going to lead your team to a super bowl...you can build how the browns will now, add peices here and there and then go thru the QB carousel every year with FA or the draft until you get lucky and hit Tom Brady...this usually happens once every 50 years and the browns already hit theirs when they got Bernie in the supplemental draft...not going to happen again anytime soon...sooner or later your going to have to give up and draft a "franchise" QB in the early first round...colt mccoy is not going to lead us to a superbowl IMO...and the browns wouldnt of offered the deal to STL if they thought that also

we will see how well the redskins do...if RGIII is as good as everyone thinks he can be then i believe they will make the playoffs in 2 years...so your talking about a pick in the 18-25 range...the panthers absolutely sucked, drafted cam newton and went 6-10 and should compete for a wild card playoff spot next year...it happens...guess we will find out soon enough...trust me i will be rooting for RGIII to fail because i would hate to hear the shit storm that will come if RGIII excedes expectations, and the browns were late to the party and shit the bed...regardless of if you feel if it was too much to offer for him or not, the browns offered a similar deal and lost

 

[Bucklion]

agree, but alot of people arent looking at: what if RGIII is the second coming of christ?...this trade will look like a steal...i mean does anyone really remember what Eli Manning was traded for? Washington's 1st round picks arent going to look so hot to STL when they are in the 18-25 range...and that could come as soon as next year...i like RGIII as a person but i am now to the point where i am totally rooting for him to fail...and fail bad...last thing cleveland needs is another "the" term to decide their [Mark May]ty legacy...so i hope we never have to here about "The RGIII"

Phillip Rivers, Shawn Merriman, and Nate Kaeding...they made som AFC Title games as I recall, that they likely would have won had Tomlinson not been pouting from the sidelines. Everyone acts like that trade was such a steal, but it worked out well for both teams.

And certainly you are not suggesting the transitive property...if RGIII succeeds on one team it doean't mean anything in terms of if he would have succeeded or failed on another.

 

[Bucklion]

your opinion on how to build a team is the exact opposite of how i feel you need to build a team...bottom line is you need a QB who is going to lead your team to a super bowl...you can build how the browns will now, add peices here and there and then go thru the QB carousel every year with FA or the draft until you get lucky and hit Tom Brady...this usually happens once every 50 years and the browns already hit theirs when they got Bernie in the supplemental draft...not going to happen again anytime soon...sooner or later your going to have to give up and draft a "franchise" QB in the early first round...colt mccoy is not going to lead us to a superbowl IMO...and the browns wouldnt of offered the deal to STL if they thought that also

we will see how well the redskins do...if RGIII is as good as everyone thinks he can be then i believe they will make the playoffs in 2 years...so your talking about a pick in the 18-25 range...the panthers absolutely sucked, drafted cam newton and went 6-10 and should compete for a wild card playoff spot next year...it happens...guess we will find out soon enough...trust me i will be rooting for RGIII to fail because i would hate to hear the [Mark May] storm that will come if RGIII excedes expectations, and the browns were late to the party and [Mark May] the bed...regardless of if you feel if it was too much to offer for him or not, the browns offered a similar deal and lost

Maybe, or he could throw for 4000 yards every season and they could never be better than 7-9...and one huge difference is the Panthers already had the pick to take Newton, and they will have future picks as well...if the Redskins continue to suck or if Griffin gets hurt, the franchise is sunk for a decade.

 

[buckiprof]

Glad the RGIII sweepstakes are over and the Browns had the smarts to stay out of that asking price range.

I would really like to see the Browns sign Garcon. Not only does he upgrade the WR corps, but he is a veteran. Sometimes I think it gets overlooked how important having veteran WR can be, especially when all other WR's are very young.

If the Browns keep the #4, draft Claiborne. If they can trade down some and get some more picks, I am for that as well. They won't be able to fall too far and get Claiborne, but possibly Richardson. Still, while everyone (here, local radio, seemed everyone!) was fighting/discussing the RGIII possibility, I was in the vast minority wanting Claiborne. That is still my hope for the #4 pick.

With #22, I would take either the best WR or the best DE/OLB. Either way, you have a serious upgrade at the WR position (with the signing of Garcon that is) or you have upgraded the defense to where it is a legitimate top 10 unit. And with the 2nd round pick, you take whichever isn't taken with #22.