Cleveland Browns (2012 season)

[A Pac]

Well, for fun, since everyone is playing os swimmingly in the sandbox...

Looks like the rumor, for now is, to move from 6 to 2, the Redskins would offer the #6, #39, and #70 as well as their first rounder next year.

So, what do the Browns need to offer to beat that, and is it worth it?

No way the Browns would or should try to beat that. It's way too much to move up 2 spots. We will be fine without RGIII. We don't need to sell the farm. Anything more than giving St. Louis the number 4 and 37 is ridiculous to me. It's 2 spots back.

 

[AKAK]

So that's what, a 1, a 2, a 3, and next year's 1 from Snyder? Would probably then take the 2 first rounders this year and either next year's 1 or this year's high #2 to beat that. And there's no guarantee that the Rams won't go back to Snyder again and he won't offer more.

Yeah, I think it's both this years ones, plus a 2 or a 3 next year (I'm not that good at the points thing, but, that's close)

Or...

What if we keep the 2nd first this year and offer the same thing presuming that all our postions are ahead of the skins, basically.

But, basically, I think the both number 1's plus a 2nd next year is the most I'd consider.

Edit: and I'm not sure I'd do it, then.

 

[A Pac]

differences of opinion are fine. trying to back those opinions with brazenly flawed logic is going to get called out. and, once again, the original premise that started this discussion pages ago was the notion of using #22 to land griffin, not giving up 5+ picks over 2 years.

Exactly. Atlanta gave up 5 picks to move up 20 spots. The Browns should be nowhere near giving up that much for 2 measily spots. To suggest that the Browns should give up 4,22,37 and next year's 1st and maybe 2nd is ridiculous. 4th and 37th would be all I would give up. IT'S TWO SPOTS. I understand that there is a bidding war going on, but you have to know when too much is too much.

 

[AKAK]

differences of opinion are fine. trying to back those opinions with brazenly flawed logic is going to get called out. and, once again, the original premise that started this discussion pages ago was the notion of using #22 to land griffin, not giving up 5+ picks over 2 years.

That's cool, and your points are valid (as are some of the others, it's really just a chicken or the egg thing, which comes first, a good team or a good QB? me being a defense first guy, makes me almost want the super good QB, spend less overall on the offense and stop people, but, whatever)

Let's see what it would really take to get the kid.

 

[ArmyVet83]

The Rams see that RG III is blowing up...and so does everyone else. Someone will give up the farm on this kid and I agree with most that Snyder will do that. I'm just hoping the Browns don't get desparate and give up more. The draft can't get here fast enough.

Keep an eye on FA and that will give you a definite idea what the Browns will do in the draft.

 

[itownbuckeye]

Exactly. Atlanta gave up 5 picks to move up 20 spots. The Browns should be nowhere near giving up that much for 2 measily spots. To suggest that the Browns should give up 4,22,37 and next year's 1st and maybe 2nd is ridiculous. 4th and 37th would be all I would give up. IT'S TWO SPOTS. I understand that there is a bidding war going on, but you have to know when too much is too much.

Yes, it's only two spots but it is a big two spots given the talent drop. I wouldn't want the Browns to go crazy but I'd be fine with them giving up a couple of 1st rounders to get a possible franchise QB. Who is there that you would like at 4? I just don't see anyone other than potentially Claiborne. I couldn't take a RB unless we're talking Adrian Peterson like talent which I don't think Richardson is. WR should only be an option if there were an elite talent (not even sure if Blackmon is the best WR in the draft so he doesn't qualify for me).

 

[A Pac]

Also, we have to assume that the two guys the Rams want are Kalil and Blackmon. We could end up sending 4 or 5 picks to them JUST SO THEY CAN DRAFT ONE OF THOSE GUYS ANYWAY! It's the ultimate win-win for them. They take no risk and get one of the guys they want, which will happen if they just use the 2nd pick anyway.

 

[tsteele316]

That's cool, and your points are valid (as are some of the others, it's really just a chicken or the egg thing, which comes first, a good team or a good QB? me being a defense first guy, makes me almost want the super good QB, spend less overall on the offense and stop people, but, whatever)

Let's see what it would really take to get the kid.

if you want any idea of how out of control the media has made this, every scout and talking head at the combine has said that kalil is the best LT prospect since joe thomas. that's been a unanimous opinion. now today, there are tweets and such stating that the rams are telling folks they aren't that impressed by him. and this is on the heels of cleveland apparently stating that they aren't sure what they think about RG3 yet. it's getting jeremy lin like in its absurdity.

 

[tsteele316]

Also, we have to assume that the two guys the Rams want are Kalil and Blackmon. We could end up sending 4 or 5 picks to them JUST SO THEY CAN DRAFT ONE OF THOSE GUYS ANYWAY! It's the ultimate win-win for them. They take no risk and get one of the guys they want, which will happen if they just use the 2nd pick anyway.

here's the thing, kalil doesn't get past #3. so, the rams are basically banking on nobody moving up for blackmon. but, his stock is apparently falling right now since he looked shoddy in drills at the combine.

 

[A Pac]

Yes, it's only two spots but it is a big two spots given the talent drop. I wouldn't want the Browns to go crazy but I'd be fine with them giving up a couple of 1st rounders to get a possible franchise QB. Who is there that you would like at 4? I just don't see anyone other than potentially Claiborne. I couldn't take a RB unless we're talking Adrian Peterson like talent which I don't think Richardson is. WR should only be an option if there were an elite talent (not even sure if Blackmon is the best WR in the draft so he doesn't qualify for me).

I personally think that Richardson is worth the 4th pick. I'm sick and tired of hearing about "today's NFL is a passing league". Who cares? You can still run the ball and win games. I would actually consider giving up both 1st rounders if that is all we gace up. Nothing more. However, I think that we can get better value by keeping both and selecting offensive weapons.

I think Richardson will be that good and I completely respect your opinion. I however disagree with you though. He is a horse who doesn't go down and can carry teh ball 25-30 times a game. If we could draft Adrian Peterson this year at number 4 would you do it? Of course you would.

I agree about Blackmon. His size is good, not great. His speed is fast, but not burner speed. I think he is at best a top 15 wide receiver in the NFL and could crack the top 10 for a season or two. He's not close to Andre Johnson, Larry Fitzgerald or Calvin Johnson though.

 

[NFBuck]

Exactly. Atlanta gave up 5 picks to move up 20 spots. The Browns should be nowhere near giving up that much for 2 measily spots. To suggest that the Browns should give up 4,22,37 and next year's 1st and maybe 2nd is ridiculous. 4th and 37th would be all I would give up. IT'S TWO SPOTS. I understand that there is a bidding war going on, but you have to know when too much is too much.

I don't think it's that simple. The #1 and 2 picks this year are much more valuable than in years past because the dropoff from #2 on is really significant...especially considering those top 2 are playing the most important position in football. This just isn't like most years. But, I fully agree that the clowns absolutely should not overpay to jump up. If ATL can accept this years 4 and 22, and maybe say, this year's 3rd and next year's 2nd...that would pretty much be my limit. Remember, we're loaded up on picks next year, so losing a 2 might not be that big a deal.

Like I said earlier, barring Washington signing Peyton Manning or somehow landing Flynn, I'd be surprised if Dan Snyder doesn't offer up some insane (stupid) package to outbid the clowns. H&H aren't stupid, Dan Snyder is.

 

[Bucks21]

I don't see the Browns moving up, its way early but I see Redskins eventually making the move. But FA hasn't even happened yet but when it does it will at least give us a better idea of what teams are going to do.

Heckert loves his picks and unless the Browns think RG3 is the perfect fit for him they aren't going to give up any picks to move up and get him. Heckert values his picks very highly (as he should) and as you guys know this team has a ton of holes to fill other than QB. This team is desperate for talent everywhere so having to give up your main way of acquiring that talent (draft picks) to try to fill only one spot albeit an important one just doesn't seem to make sense to me. I like RG3 but the Browns have to be completely sold that this guy can be a big difference maker for them to give anything up to move 2 spots to get him.

 

[A Pac]

here's the thing, kalil doesn't get past #3. so, the rams are basically banking on nobody moving up for blackmon. but, his stock is apparently falling right now since he looked shoddy in drills at the combine.

Yeah but if the Brows go 2, either the Vikings or a team they trade with will take Kalil or Blackmon. That still leaves the next one for the Rams at 4. I know his stock fell, but it will go up after his pro day.

 

[NFBuck]

I personally think that Richardson is worth the 4th pick. I'm sick and tired of hearing about "today's NFL is a passing league". Who cares? You can still run the ball and win games. I would actually consider giving up both 1st rounders if that is all we gace up. Nothing more. However, I think that we can get better value by keeping both and selecting offensive weapons.

I think Richardson will be that good and I completely respect your opinion. I however disagree with you though. He is a horse who doesn't go down and can carry teh ball 25-30 times a game. If we could draft Adrian Peterson this year at number 4 would you do it? Of course you would.

I agree about Blackmon. His size is good, not great. His speed is fast, but not burner speed. I think he is at best a top 15 wide receiver in the NFL and could crack the top 10 for a season or two. He's not close to Andre Johnson, Larry Fitzgerald or Calvin Johnson though.

I'd love to land Richardson if the RG3 thing doesn't work out, but he's a poor value at #4 considering it looks like he may very well fall out of the top-10. If they land him, I have to think it would be after trading down.

 

[A Pac]

Like I said earlier, barring Washington signing Peyton Manning or somehow landing Flynn, I'd be surprised if Dan Snyder doesn't offer up some insane (stupid) package to outbid the clowns. H&H aren't stupid, Dan Snyder is.

That is exactly the situation I have been hoping for for the past week. We would also need Miami to get Flynn or Manning as well.