Cleveland Browns (2012 season)

[jlb1705]

wow im glad your not the browns GM...the steelers or bengals GM maybe...getting the best player in the draft (If Luck wasn't in the draft this year) for the #4 and #22 in the draft is a steal

No, getting him for just the #4 is a steal.

The Browns don't even have to be good poker players to pull it off, just good euchre players. They have a right bower in their hand in the #22 pick, and people want them to throw it down even though they're in a good place to win the trick without it.

 

[LitlBuck]

No, getting him for just the #4 is a steal.

The Browns don't even have to be good poker players to pull it off, just good euchre players. They have a right bower in their hand in the #22 pick, and people want them to throw it down even though they're in a good place to win the trick without it.

they would have to give something else up. Possibly a third-round pick.

 

[jlb1705]

they would have to give something else up. Possibly a third-round pick.

...Which is why the whole idea is terrible in the first place. Giving up two first rounders and a third rounder to move up two spots would be a colossal mistake.

 

[LitlBuck]

...Which is why the whole idea is terrible in the first place. Giving up two first rounders and a third rounder to move up two spots would be a colossal mistake.

I meant to give the #4 and a third-round pick in order to move up 2 slots. In your prior post, you said that we could go from #4 to #2. We would have to give up something else to move up 2 slots.

 

[itownbuckeye]

...Which is why the whole idea is terrible in the first place. Giving up two first rounders and a third rounder to move up two spots would be a colossal mistake.

Normally I would agree with this but there are some circumstances which I think make this a feasible option. QB is by far the most important position in the NFL and the Browns do not have a starting caliber one, let alone a franchise QB. Also, there are only 3 elite players in this draft which means that the #2 pick is infinitely more valuable than the #4. If there was a reasonable alternative to sit and take at 4 then I would be all for it but unless Mo Claiborne tests off the charts I don't see anyone worth waiting for there. Additionally, I'm not as reluctant to give up #22 given that they got it pretty cheaply. That is, they were basically in the same position as this year where there really wasn't anyone worth taking at the spot and were able to get a bunch of picks for it. If the decision makers aren't in love with RG3 then I would be happy to see them trade down again.

 

[itownbuckeye]

I meant to give the #4 and a third-round pick in order to move up 2 slots. In your prior post, you said that we could go from #4 to #2. We would have to give up something else to move up 2 slots.

It's almost certainly gonna cost more than #4 and a 3rd to move up.

 

[y0yoyoin]

No, getting him for just the #4 is a steal.

The Browns don't even have to be good poker players to pull it off, just good euchre players. They have a right bower in their hand in the #22 pick, and people want them to throw it down even though they're in a good place to win the trick without it.

i like your euchre analogy except the rams are involved and will beat any hand we have since they will be leading out with trump...getting him for #4 is a steal but there is no scenario in the world now that will have him falling to #4...and if you are giving up your #4, #22 and a pick that is 15 spots down from #22 i dont see why you still wouldnt give that up for a possible franchise QB if you believe he is the guy for your team...which it sounds like the browns do...if colt was the GUY, then every higher up from the coach to the owner in the browns organization would not openly be saying we are exploring more options...and if the QB is the most important position in football then why wouldnt u want to upgrade that for the next 10 years and add from there??...could RGIII be a flop and become the next akili smith?? sure...but theres a higher chance he ends up being a McNabb, Vick, Cam Newton, McNair then an Akili Smith...i have more questions with taking a trent richardson or blackmon at #4 then trading 3 picks in this years draft for RGIII...obviously my opinion differs from most of everyone on here but i would rather have RGIII then a combo of blackmon/mike adams...even if we get that combo then we are looking at upgrading for QB in next years draft and we are now rebuilding for another 3 years unless whoever we get is a cam newton or andy dalton and come out right away on fire...id rather skip that and get our QB of the future now then wait another year...even if RGIII is running for his life all next year then id rather have him breaking 10 yard gains on the ground then having Colt McCoy sitting in the pocket getting killed

 

[NFBuck]

i like your euchre analogy except the rams are involved and will beat any hand we have since they will be leading out with trump...getting him for #4 is a steal but there is no scenario in the world now that will have him falling to #4...and if you are giving up your #4, #22 and a pick that is 15 spots down from #22 i dont see why you still wouldnt give that up for a possible franchise QB if you believe he is the guy for your team...which it sounds like the browns do...if colt was the GUY, then every higher up from the coach to the owner in the browns organization would not openly be saying we are exploring more options...and if the QB is the most important position in football then why wouldnt u want to upgrade that for the next 10 years and add from there??...could RGIII be a flop and become the next akili smith?? sure...but theres a higher chance he ends up being a McNabb, Vick, Cam Newton, McNair then an Akili Smith...i have more questions with taking a trent richardson or blackmon at #4 then trading 3 picks in this years draft for RGIII...obviously my opinion differs from most of everyone on here but i would rather have RGIII then a combo of blackmon/mike adams...even if we get that combo then we are looking at upgrading for QB in next years draft and we are now rebuilding for another 3 years unless whoever we get is a cam newton or andy dalton and come out right away on fire...id rather skip that and get our QB of the future now then wait another year...even if RGIII is running for his life all next year then id rather have him breaking 10 yard gains on the ground then having Colt McCoy sitting in the pocket getting killed

I can't imagine a scenario, aside from a devasting injury, where that's even possible. Smith was essentially a one year wonder in college who blew up at the combine. RG3 was a 3+ year starter, was excellent each year, and has been highly thought of way before the combine based on his play. Then he put on a freak performance at the combine...those 40 times for a QB are UNREAL. Plus, IIRC, Smith had a reputation for being lazy and aloof. By all accounts, Griffen is a hard worker with a very good head on his shoulders. The reservations I have is that he came out of a spread offense that operated mainly out of the shotgun, and that the "dual threat QB" tends to leave himself open for injury...not a good thing when the clowns are involved. But, I think his IQ, work ethic, and talent can negate the first one. We saw what Cam Newton did this year, and he wasn't nearly as polished as RG3 coming out. The more I see/hear about him, the more I think he's the franchise guy we've been looking for. It's up to the staff to put the weapons around him to succeed.

 

[y0yoyoin]

I can't imagine a scenario, aside from a devasting injury, where that's even possible. Smith was essentially a one year wonder in college who blew up at the combine. RG3 was a 3+ year starter, was excellent each year, and has been highly thought of way before the combine based on his play. Then he put on a freak performance at the combine...those 40 times for a QB are UNREAL. Plus, IIRC, Smith had a reputation for being lazy and aloof. By all accounts, Griffen is a hard worker with a very good head on his shoulders. The reservations I have is that he came out of a spread offense that operated mainly out of the shotgun, and that the "dual threat QB" tends to leave himself open for injury...not a good thing when the clowns are involved. But, I think his IQ, work ethic, and talent can negate the first one. We saw what Cam Newton did this year, and he wasn't nearly as polished as RG3 coming out. The more I see/hear about him, the more I think he's the franchise guy we've been looking for. It's up to the staff to put the weapons around him to succeed.

agree, and if the browns want RGIII we have what the rams would want this year...2 1st round picks and a high 2nd (assuming the rams wont want more then that...like i said earlier peter king is saying this is the minimum)...i could see the redskins shelling out more which is always possible but one thing that is not certain would be the redskins 1st round pick in 2013 which could be significantly higher if RGIII carries the team...higher then a #22? doubtful but it cant hurt that our #22 is set and is not a question mark for a team...usually when i want a player for the browns to draft it never happens which would bode well for 3/4's of the people who contribute to this thread...so if u dont want RGIII then just hope thats who i want the browns to land on draft day because i guarantee we will not get him

 

[NFBuck]

agree, and if the browns want RGIII we have what the rams would want this year...2 1st round picks and a high 2nd (assuming the rams wont want more then that...like i said earlier peter king is saying this is the minimum)...i could see the redskins shelling out more which is always possible but one thing that is not certain would be the redskins 1st round pick in 2013 which could be significantly higher if RGIII carries the team...higher then a #22? doubtful but it cant hurt that our #22 is set and is not a question mark for a team...usually when i want a player for the browns to draft it never happens which would bode well for 3/4's of the people who contribute to this thread...so if u dont want RGIII then just hope thats who i want the browns to land on draft day because i guarantee we will not get him

...and they're totally the wildcard in this situation. They are one of the worst run franchises in pro sports for a reason...because Dan Snyder is fucking stupid. I could almost see them offering up a Saints/Rickey Williams package to outbid the clowns. And if that's the case, so be it. I'm not sure there's anybody there at #4 that I, or H&H would want. Blackmon worries me that high. Richardson just isn't a good value pick there. They can probably trade down several picks and still get Richardson. The only guy that I could like there is Claiborne if he blows up. The idea of pairing him with Hayden is certainly tantalizing, but I think they really need to address the offensive skill positions this year.

 

[jlb1705]

I meant to give the #4 and a third-round pick in order to move up 2 slots. In your prior post, you said that we could go from #4 to #2. We would have to give up something else to move up 2 slots.

I didn't say they could trade #4 for #2 with nothing else involved. I'm saying that he's only a steal if the Browns pick him a #4 rather than trading their entire first and second days in the draft for him.

...and they're totally the wildcard in this situation. They are one of the worst run franchises in pro sports for a reason...because Randy Lerner is fucking stupid. I could almost see them offering up a Saints/Rickey Williams package to outbid the skins.

FIXED.

If the Browns really do have their eye on Griffin though I hope they're playing this wildcard thing up. Like I've been saying, if the Browns can convince everyone that they're more crazy, reckless and stupid than everyone else who has an eye on him they can get those other teams to back out altogether, which would allow him to drop to #4. If the Browns float a rumor that they'll do something so stupid that it would even make Dan Snyder pause, they could just pull it off.

 

[broken24]

The Browns don't even have to be good poker players to pull it off, just good euchre players. They have a right bower in their hand in the #22 pick, and people want them to throw it down even though they're in a good place to win the trick without it.

Agree, if H&H are smart they make it be known that they want RGIII and since they have #2 and #22 they can out bid anyone. This then forces the other QB deficient teams to act first. The Rams also seem to be helping, by making the asking price high.

Much to the dismay of the rams, etc, the market is going to fall apart one manning and flynn land somewhere.Thing is, I don't see a bidding war breaking out that's gonna be too steep. So, if anyone's asking for the world, you almost make them eli manning it, and make them draft the kid and trade him.

Not sure what the draft valu chart looks like in the rookie salary cap era but a first rounder to move a couple spots seems steep (player in question aside)

Rule 1: don't bid against yourself

On top of some of the market drying up, the rams have their own needs. LT being the most glaring. They can't trade down past 6-7 and still get a Kalil (they can't trade down at all and get Kalil) or Reiff.

To me the only real competition in the RGIII sweepstakes are the Redskins. Peyton won't go there, so they have 3 options; sign Flynn, out bid the Browns or draft Tannehill. To sign Flynn the Redskins only have to offer more money then supposedly the Fins. The Redskins have a lot more cap room then the Dolphins and Snyder has no problem spending money.

 

[ArmyVet83]

Some great points have been made but IMO what is the BEST move for the Browns?

1) Give up the the number 4, 22, and 37 picks to pick up RG III and fill ONE position of need when their more holes on this team to fill?

2) Stay at 4 and let the chips fall where they may?

I would have to stay at # 4. The way RGIII is blowing up the combine, I think the Rams would be asking for too much. Let some other team blow their draft and err on the side of caution. It would not surprise me at all to see no trade made and the Rams or Vikings pick him up. What has Bradford done? Are you going to tell me that the Vikings are hanging their hats on Ponder as their franchise QB when RG III could fall right into their lap?

I do think the asking price will be TOO steep for the Browns to make such a desperate move.

This is how I hope the Browns go:

Realistic

#4 Morris Clairborne (CB)

#22 Kendall Wright (WR)

#37 David Wilson (RB)

#68 Travis Lewis (OLB)

#100 Levy Adcock (OT)

# 118 Joe Adams (WR)

#131 Tank Carder (OLB)

#164 Blake Gideon (S)

 

[Buckrock]

Some great points have been made but IMO what is the BEST move for the Browns?

1) Give up the the number 4, 22, and 37 picks to pick up RG III and fill ONE position of need when their more holes on this team to fill?

2) Stay at 4 and let the chips fall where they may?

I would have to stay at # 4. The way RGIII is blowing up the combine, I think the Rams would be asking for too much. Let some other team blow their draft and err on the side of caution. It would not surprise me at all to see no trade made and the Rams or Vikings pick him up. What has Bradford done? Are you going to tell me that the Vikings are hanging their hats on Ponder as their franchise QB when RG III could fall right into their lap?

I do think the asking price will be TOO steep for the Browns to make such a desperate move.

This is how I hope the Browns go:

Realistic

#4 Morris Clairborne (CB)

#22 Kendall Wright (WR)

#37 David Wilson (RB)

#68 Travis Lewis (OLB)

#100 Levy Adcock (OT)

# 118 Joe Adams (WR)

#131 Tank Carder (OLB)

#164 Blake Gideon (S)

We need a starting DE. I think our chances of getting help at WR in FA are good. Peyton Hillis resigning means no RB in this draft. Otherwise i like your board.

 

[IronBuckI]

All of you fuckers are slacking in your draft analysis. The term "playmaker" has not been spewed forth in more than two days...way back on page 4. That term should be slammed into, at least, every other post until the draft is over.