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IronBuckI;2115504; said:All of you fuckers are slacking in your draft analysis. The term "playmaker" has not been spewed forth in more than two days...way back on page 4. That term should be slammed into, at least, every other post until the draft is over.
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y0yoyoin;2115179; said:
Wow I'm glad you're not the Browns GM, you'd have 6 first round QBs on your roster.
I do wish I was your car salesman though, you'd be buying a newer more shiny model every week.
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Obviously, "gamechanger" is the superior term.tsteele316
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BuckeyeMike80;2115526; said:Wow I'm glad you're not the Browns GM, you'd have 6 first round QBs on your roster.
I do wish I was your car salesman though, you'd be buying a newer more shiny model every week.
the browns have been driving a ford pinto for about 12 years. i don't know what the hell you're talking about here.
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ArmyVet83
Prepare yourselves. For now, I summon...the end!
Buckrock;2115501; said:
Agreed on the DE, however we need more speed at the OLB position to better secure the corners against the run and short passes. But if there is a better DE available at those selections (Lewis and Carder), then take them. Lewis is NFL ready and if Carder's should is 100%, he is as well.
While I think Manningham or Meachum could be great pick-ups in FA, they still need a good 3rd option in the slot and additional field stretcher (Wright, Adams (or Ryan Broiles) would be ideal IMO. Norwood would be an excellent the option. Massaquoi has not shown me nothing to think otherwise. IN addition, they have no idea how to use Cribbs in the offense, so forget about that.
If the Browns could field Manningham, Little, (Wright, Adams or Broiles), they would be a hell of alot better than they were last year.
Depending which version we get, the Peyton Hillis that the Browns traded for or this past seasons version of Hillis. They still need a solid second option and Hardesty isn't it. To fragile. Wilson is an excellent RB. I like him better than Richardson but he does have some fumble issues. If he has problems in the ACC holding onto the ball, how do you think it translates to the NFL. But besides that he is a damn fine RB and fumbling issues can be fixed at this level.
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tsteele316;2115543; said:
The Browns haven't had a concrete plan in about the same amount of time.
Every year we're led to believe that player x is the guy they need and every year they strike out spectacularly. It's not about player x, it's about player a, b and c that are needed to play with player x.
At most they have player A (Thomas) and if Hillis had played this year like last year, player B. And this doesn't even start touching on what the defense is missing.
Solve the equation and solve the problems. Look at how other teams, especially in the division, win their games and build like that. If you can't beat them, and the Browns are really bad against everyone but the Bengals, emulate them.
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y0yoyoin
That is a serious injury for Willis McGahee
BuckeyeMike80;2115526; said:Wow I'm glad you're not the Browns GM, you'd have 6 first round QBs on your roster.
I do wish I was your car salesman though, you'd be buying a newer more shiny model every week.
no ive never wanted the browns to trade up to get anyone...RGIII is the only player in recent memory i can think of that ive wanted to trade up for...and so be it that he is a QB...only pick i can remember that i wanted that we passed on in the first round of memory is Adrian Peterson...but we got joe thomas instead so im not complaining...i cant help the fact that your the type of guy who is happy with having 2 honda accords while i would prefer the Acura NSX
BuckeyeMike80;2115553; said:
so your saying we should draft a QB in the first round? thats what everyone in our division has done with the exception of cincinatti...and thats only because their previous first round pick wanted to leave town...but hey i like your plan...lets draft Blackmon and some late round RT and then suck dick this year so hopefully we can be in play for Matt Barkley...or if we dont have the first round pick then maybe we will have trade our 1st round pick in 2013 and then the 1st round pick in 2014 for him...because im sure everyone else agrees here that they would much rather have Matt Barkley then RGIII...trading 2 first round picks in the same year is just plain stupid...like you i would much rather have to do it 2 years in a row because that wouldnt hurt the franchise at all/ end sarcasm
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Never in my life as a Browns fan have I looked back and wished they had traded up for somebody. I often look back though and wish they had simply recognized the talent that was still available when they were on the clock and made the pick.
The day that there's a draft that there are no eventual Pro Bowlers left on the board by the time the Browns make their first pick is the day that I'll start to regret not trading up. Go back and look at some of the drafts that have taken place since 1999. Take notice of some of the guys that were picked right after the Browns made their choice. I'm getting tired of people saying that there's nobody in the draft that's worth whatever pick the Browns have. I'm guilty of this sometimes too, but it's nonsense, and the results of just about every single draft ever will bear this out. I can understand why we come to that conclusion so easily. We're mere fans and for the most part we don't know dick. The Browns spend a lot of time and money to put themselves in a position to know better than us, but they fail at an alarming rate.
Until the Browns prove that they know what the hell to do with a draft pick I don't want them just giving them away to move up. At least extra picks give them the opportunity to maybe benefit from dumb luck and the laws of chance.
The day that there's a draft that there are no eventual Pro Bowlers left on the board by the time the Browns make their first pick is the day that I'll start to regret not trading up. Go back and look at some of the drafts that have taken place since 1999. Take notice of some of the guys that were picked right after the Browns made their choice. I'm getting tired of people saying that there's nobody in the draft that's worth whatever pick the Browns have. I'm guilty of this sometimes too, but it's nonsense, and the results of just about every single draft ever will bear this out. I can understand why we come to that conclusion so easily. We're mere fans and for the most part we don't know dick. The Browns spend a lot of time and money to put themselves in a position to know better than us, but they fail at an alarming rate.
Until the Browns prove that they know what the hell to do with a draft pick I don't want them just giving them away to move up. At least extra picks give them the opportunity to maybe benefit from dumb luck and the laws of chance.
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y0yoyoin;2115564; said:
And every single one of those franchises had the support system built FIRST.
Shitzburgh didn't draft Rapistburger and immediately throw him to the wolves to save Cowher's legacy, they continued to run the ball and built their defense.
Baltimore's defense was already good, but Kyle Boller didn't do shit with it. Neither will Flacco. Again the support system has been there for him.
You're wrong about Cincytucky. They drafted Palmer in the 1st round. They also drafted Dalton in the 2nd round. And again, neither one was thrown to the wolves without a support system in place.
Cleveland does not have the supporting players to help anyone succeed. They are in NO position to be giving up picks to move up two spots, not with these many holes and not with this horrible right side of the offensive line, receiving corps and D-line, not to mention at running back.
Build the support system first. Then get the right QB for the situation. I'm not even saying that's not RGIII, but to think anyone QB short of Peyton Manning is going to succeed in Cleveland in anything less than 3 years is crazy and it only gets worse if they trade 3 picks for one pick this year.
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y0yoyoin
That is a serious injury for Willis McGahee
BuckeyeMike80;2115579; said:
i just want to say that Big Boner was thrown to the wolves his rookie year, flacco was a lee evans drop from going to the superbowl, and im not sure what your saying about the bengals because u said pretty much what i said...and what support system does the bengals have that the browns dont by the way? the browns OL is not any worse then the bengals...and last time i checked our defense overall was ranked 10th this year...if anything we gave up too many big plays...do we have AJ green? no...that doesnt mean we couldnt get a AJ green in the next 5 years while RGIII is signed thru his rookie contract...what do the browns lack? talent obviously is the first thing...but where do i see we lack talent? WR, RT, DE and QB...so kill one of those birds now by getting a freak of a QB in Griffin...if he plays anything like cam newton did we would no doubt win 5 more games...so then you build around him by drafting offense in this draft, a OL here and a CB, DE, or LB there...you dont have to do everything this year in terms of the draft or free agency...and just wait...if your sick of hearing about RGIII now wait till his pro day and he actually throws for the scouts...bottom line is if your hoping for anything else then the browns drafting ANY QB in this draft good luck to you...especially with holmgren and his love for getting a franchise QB and Shumur and his previous QB coach experience
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tsteele316
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BuckeyeMike80;2115579; said:
by your own admission, baltimore will never do anything with flacco. so, their support system, which due to age is on life support by the by, is useless because they don't have an elite qb.
cinci's support system is so impressive that they've been picking in the top 5 every other season.
so, you have pitt, who was good, but had their qb go down and tank their season. and even then, they needed cleveland and a few other team's stupidity to land their qb.
so, you essentially have one viable example which totally depended on a lot of dumb luck. hard to argue with that logic.
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Look at it however you want guys, if the Browns mortgage the top of their draft to get RGIII two spots higher I'm just going to laugh and enjoy the 4-12 seasons we'll get to endure. Not because of RGIII, but because the Browns management will have again ignored the basic fundamental rules of winning CONSISTENTLY in the NFL.
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