Cleveland Browns (2012 season)

[Buckeneye]

#1 overall boys'. The dream is still alive.

 

[tsteele316]

#1 overall boys'. The dream is still alive.

the only reason to not fire shurmur midseason. but today's ineptitude certainly sealed his fate.

 

[Big Papa]

I think Jimmy Haslam's reactions on camera yesterday said it all. Not sure how Shurmur survives the season.

I have not heard anyone else talk about this, but I think a big problem from yesterday's game were the penalties on special teams. How many good returns by Cribbs were negated by penalties? Twice on Ventrone. Field position is so critical, especially in a game that close.

 

[LitlBuck]

I guess if putting 8 guys in the box stops the run maybe we should give that a try. Also, how can they put 8 guys in the box if the Browns would have 4 wideouts. Shurmur's excuses are terrible and getting worse by the game.

"Well, they had one extra guy in there all the time," Shurmur said. "That wasn't necessarily the case last week for them. That's why when you go into games, games are played differently depending on who your opponent is, and so then you start to throw the ball and then you loosen them up and the runs become effective again."

I also think that we should start looking for a new punter. Hodges has been terrible this year.

Browns

 

[AKAK]

I think Jimmy Haslam's reactions on camera yesterday said it all. Not sure how Shurmur survives the season.

I have not heard anyone else talk about this, but I think a big problem from yesterday's game were the penalties on special teams. How many good returns by Cribbs were negated by penalties? Twice on Ventrone. Field position is so critical, especially in a game that close.

Yeah, I mean, that's all part in parcel of it. Not that Shurmur had any chance to stick around, but, its not like they can go say that the coaches have been doing everything they can. Stupid penalties are the most obvious sign, but, there's been nothing like consistent clean, tight, fundamentally sound football out there where they can say, "Look, we did as much as we could with this bunch" Add the many Colts mistakes of another young team, and it was just painful to watch yesterday.

And yeah, how do you call that throw on 3rd and 1 (or 2 or whatever it was) and then punt? That was the "we're going for it anyway" play call. Good Gravy.

 

[exhawg]

There's no point in firing anyone during the season. Keep losing and clean house when the season is over. Hire a new staff with a coach that can win with a similar system to what the Browns are running so they won't have to rebuild for a new scheme on either side of the ball.

Draft the BPA that plays DE, OLB, or CB and try to have a bad ass defense. Sign a quality guard, a quality FS, and whichever two positions above that aren't filled with the #1 pick. They might be able to get the safely with the 3rd round pick. I would love to get a good WR, but I just don't see the quality there in the draft or as a FA. Give Gordon, Little (gasp), Benjamin, and Cooper another year to develop to see what we have. Even with the drop yesterday I think Gordon is going to be a very good #2 WR at least.

 

[IronBuckI]

There's no point in firing anyone during the season. Keep losing and clean house when the season is over. Hire a new staff with a coach that can win with a similar system to what the Browns are running so they won't have to rebuild for a new scheme on either side of the ball.

Draft the BPA that plays DE, OLB, or CB and try to have a bad ass defense. Sign a quality guard, a quality FS, and whichever two positions above that aren't filled with the #1 pick. They might be able to get the safely with the 3rd round pick. I would love to get a good WR, but I just don't see the quality there in the draft or as a FA. Give Gordon, Little (gasp), Benjamin, and Cooper another year to develop to see what we have. Even with the drop yesterday I think Gordon is going to be a very good #2 WR at least.

I think that we already drafted the best WR in next year's draft.

 

[tsteele316]

Yeah, I mean, that's all part in parcel of it. Not that Shurmur had any chance to stick around, but, its not like they can go say that the coaches have been doing everything they can. Stupid penalties are the most obvious sign, but, there's been nothing like consistent clean, tight, fundamentally sound football out there where they can say, "Look, we did as much as we could with this bunch" Add the many Colts mistakes of another young team, and it was just painful to watch yesterday.

And yeah, how do you call that throw on 3rd and 1 (or 2 or whatever it was) and then punt? That was the "we're going for it anyway" play call. Good Gravy.

terrible playcalling and baffling game management is what gets a guy fired. if cleveland was simply being out talented each week and had young guys constantly making rookie mistakes that lead to losses, that's one thing. but the shurmur rap sheet is long enough to pave the way for his departure.

but who knows, maybe by week 12 he'll realize how to not tip off running plays to the defense, attempt an actual run without the fullback in the game, and maybe not require his rookie qb to throw 40+ times a game to carry the offense.

 

[AuTX Buckeye]

There's no point in firing anyone during the season. Keep losing and clean house when the season is over. Hire a new staff with a coach that can win with a similar system to what the Browns are running so they won't have to rebuild for a new scheme on either side of the ball.

Draft the BPA that plays DE, OLB, or CB and try to have a bad ass defense. Sign a quality guard, a quality FS, and whichever two positions above that aren't filled with the #1 pick. They might be able to get the safely with the 3rd round pick. I would love to get a good WR, but I just don't see the quality there in the draft or as a FA. Give Gordon, Little (gasp), Benjamin, and Cooper another year to develop to see what we have. Even with the drop yesterday I think Gordon is going to be a very good #2 WR at least.

Given our current track record of drafting players who have sat out a year... i fully expect to be drafting the Honey Badger and/or Cris Carters Kid, they meet all criteria :) I know new regime but its still fun to joke about.

 

[exhawg]

Given our current track record of drafting players who have sat out a year... i fully expect to be drafting the Honey Badger and/or Cris Carters Kid, they meet all criteria :) I know new regime but its still fun to joke about.

How good is Honey boo boo? If he has first round talent at CB I'd look at him in the 3rd if he is there. The new GM needs to turn the 3rd and 4th round picks next year into starters.

 

[LordJeffBuck]

And yeah, how do you call that throw on 3rd and 1 (or 2 or whatever it was) and then punt? That was the "we're going for it anyway" play call. Good Gravy.

The worst aspect of punting in that situation - and there were many to choose from - is that it allowed Shurmur to throw Gordon under the bus, which he essentially did in his post-game comments. If Shurmur had any sack, he would have said to Gordon, "Don't worry about it, everybody drops passes. We'll pick you up on fourth down." Instead the coward punts and then blames the dropped pass for the loss.

 

[southcampus]

Shurmahahahahah

 

[tsteele316]

The worst aspect of punting in that situation - and there were many to choose from - is that it allowed Shurmur to throw Gordon under the bus, which he essentially did in his post-game comments. If Shurmur had any sack, he would have said to Gordon, "Don't worry about it, everybody drops passes. We'll pick you up on fourth down." Instead the coward punts and then blames the dropped pass for the loss.

guys like belichek can get away with occasionally doing something like this in a post game presser. but this is the third or fourth time shurmur has called out a player. he called out hodges as well yesterday. but when you have a laundry list of poor game management decisions and questionable at best playcalling, you can't get away with such things.

 

[AKAK]

The worst aspect of punting in that situation - and there were many to choose from - is that it allowed Shurmur to throw Gordon under the bus, which he essentially did in his post-game comments. If Shurmur had any sack, he would have said to Gordon, "Don't worry about it, everybody drops passes. We'll pick you up on fourth down." Instead the coward punts and then blames the dropped pass for the loss.

See bolded.

guys like belichek can get away with occasionally doing something like this in a post game presser. but this is the third or fourth time shurmur has called out a player. he called out hodges as well yesterday. but when you have a laundry list of poor game management decisions and questionable at best playcalling, you can't get away with such things.

Did they lose by 1?

 

[LitlBuck]

Did they lose by 1?

Don't take this as backing Shurmur but being down by 4 is a lot different then being down by 3. The Browns were forced to score a TD run than a FG not that it would probably have mattered but that does affect playcalling to a certain extent if you have a good coach.