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Cleveland Browns (2012 season)

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colobuck79;2235794; said:
Next up, Shurmer.

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Disclamer: The above photo in no way suggests that anybody should be harmed in any way, including decapitation. This was an attempt at humor, and if anybody is offended, please accept my deepest apology.
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Then Desmond Howard!


oh... wait, wrong thread.
 
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Bucklion;2235809; said:
They can't fire Shurmur fast enough...
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I sort of disagree.

They will indeed fire Shurmur at some point in the near future, difference here is, they have someone to replace Holmgren immediately, I cant' imagine that's the case with Shurmur, so, do you want Weeden and the rest of the offense to be without a QB coach and OC the rest of the season, or is the guy a rotting cancerous tumor that does more harm than good.

Ok, maybe I agree again.
 
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Bucklion;2235809; said:
They can't fire Shurmur fast enough...
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I just don't see what getting rid of Shurmur right now does for the organization. Holmgren knew that the new ownership group already contained his replacement so that doesn't come as a surprise. The season is a waste anyway so spend the rest of it evaluating what they have and move on in January. What if Shurmur is the major problem and replacing him ends up equaling a couple extra wins at the end of the season? That doesn't help the Browns get better next year since the rest of the coaching staff will be gone regardless of how they do this year.

IIRC one of Dan Gilbert's biggest regrets when he bought the Cavs was moving to fast on management and coaching changes right away rather than getting the feel of the organization and making changes in the off season.
 
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exhawg;2235815; said:
I just don't see what getting rid of Shurmur right now does for the organization. Holmgren knew that the new ownership group already contained his replacement so that doesn't come as a surprise. The season is a waste anyway so spend the rest of it evaluating what they have and move on in January. What if Shurmur is the major problem and replacing him ends up equaling a couple extra wins at the end of the season? That doesn't help the Browns get better next year since the rest of the coaching staff will be gone regardless of how they do this year.

IIRC one of Dan Gilbert's biggest regrets when he bought the Cavs was moving to fast on management and coaching changes right away rather than getting the feel of the organization and making changes in the off season.
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Fine, they can fire him at the end of the year. But what we don't need is a Mangini situation, where they cling to him for another year when they know he isn't going to succeed.
 
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Bucklion;2235832; said:
Fine, they can fire him at the end of the year. But what we don't need is a Mangini situation, where they cling to him for another year when they know he isn't going to succeed.
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Yeah, no, wouldn't worry about that.
 
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Bucklion said:
They can't fire Shurmur fast enough...
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I would like to wait and see how the season plays out before I make any decision on Shurmur. He really has been a head coach for less than two seasons so I will give him the benefit of the doubt until the end of this season.

It will be interesting to see what happens with Heckert since Banner had a prior working relationship with him in Philadelphia.
 
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Bucklion;2235832; said:
Fine, they can fire him at the end of the year. But what we don't need is a Mangini situation, where they cling to him for another year when they know he isn't going to succeed.
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No chance in hell of Shurmur being back next year. Haslam has said that he wants to model the Browns after the Steelers so I expect a full FO/Coaching turnover after the season and then those guys to stick around for a while.

They need Shurmur and the current coaches to keep working with Weeden so that he can develop as much as possible this season. If the coaches say fuck it and go McCoy/Mangini on Weeden it may ruin the 3-5 years he has left on his career.
 
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exhawg;2235845; said:
No chance in hell of Shurmur being back next year. Haslam has said that he wants to model the Browns after the Steelers so I expect a full FO/Coaching turnover after the season and then those guys to stick around for a while.

They need Shurmur and the current coaches to keep working with Weeden so that he can develop as much as possible this season. If the coaches say [censored] it and go McCoy/Mangini on Weeden it may ruin the 3-5 years he has left on his career.
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If that is really true and I am not saying it isn't why bring in Banner who was president of the Eagles and has a prior working relationship with Heckert, Shurmur and Childress. Why not just offer the president's job to someone in the Steelers management:huh:
 
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I suppose depending on how you look at it, the Browns were lucky to even get this year out of Holmgren. He had no intentions of being President this year and wanted out.

It took a huge sell-job to get him to commit to this season.
 
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LitlBuck;2235855; said:
If that is really true and I am not saying it isn't why bring in Banner who was president of the Eagles and has a prior working relationship with Heckert, Shurmur and Childress. Why not just offer the president's job to someone in the Steelers management:huh:
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I can't find the article now, but I read an interview with Haslam where he said something to the effect that he didn't believe in a revolving door in the FO and the coaching staff and he wanted stability with the organization like the Steelers have.

I don't know how big the Eagles connection is between Banner and guys with the Browns since they seem pretty tight with Andy Reid and Banner reportedly isn't. I've never heard anything about the connection between Banner and Haslam so I don't know how they got together, but I guess we'll see after the season. I like many of the things that Heckert has done, but I don't think it would be the worst thing to start from scratch with the coaching staff on up.

It doesn't sound like Banner is really a replacement for Holmgren anyway since Haslam will take on a lot of the decision making that Holmgren did.
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nfl--j...mgren-s-departure-from-browns-inevitable.html

Edit: and then you have this gem, which makes it sound like Heckert will be around for the next 30 years:

http://cleveland.sbnation.com/cleve...290/tom-heckert-cleveland-browns-jimmy-haslam
 
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billmac91 said:
I suppose depending on how you look at it, the Browns were lucky to even get this year out of Holmgren. He had no intentions of being President this year and wanted out.

It took a huge sell-job to get him to commit to this season.
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That was a fantastic 5 year plan that he laid out:lol: I don't understand why he just doesn't leave now because he is not going to be doing anything the remainder of this season. At least anything that would make a difference on the football field.
 
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LitlBuck;2235855; said:
If that is really true and I am not saying it isn't why bring in Banner who was president of the Eagles and has a prior working relationship with Heckert, Shurmur and Childress. Why not just offer the president's job to someone in the Steelers management:huh:
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exhawg;2235887; said:
I can't find the article now, but I read an interview with Haslam where he said something to the effect that he didn't believe in a revolving door in the FO and the coaching staff and he wanted stability with the organization like the Steelers have.

I don't know how big the Eagles connection is between Banner and guys with the Browns since they seem pretty tight with Andy Reid and Banner reportedly isn't. I've never heard anything about the connection between Banner and Haslam so I don't know how they got together, but I guess we'll see after the season. I like many of the things that Heckert has done, but I don't think it would be the worst thing to start from scratch with the coaching staff on up.

It doesn't sound like Banner is really a replacement for Holmgren anyway since Haslam will take on a lot of the decision making that Holmgren did.
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nfl--j...mgren-s-departure-from-browns-inevitable.html

Edit: and then you have this gem, which makes it sound like Heckert will be around for the next 30 years:

http://cleveland.sbnation.com/cleve...290/tom-heckert-cleveland-browns-jimmy-haslam
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I read an SI.com article that also compared Haslam's stated plans to what has taken place with the Houston Texans. They've only had two coaches and two GMs I believe since joining the league. When he says he wants to emulate the Steelers, believe the approach to hiring good people and sticking with them is what he means - not necessarily that he wants to hire people from the Steelers.
 
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jlb1705;2235900; said:
I read an SI.com article that also compared Haslam's stated plans to what has taken place with the Houston Texans. They've only had two coaches and two GMs I believe since joining the league. When he says he wants to emulate the Steelers, believe the approach to hiring good people and sticking with them is what he means - not necessarily that he wants to hire people from the Steelers.
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Much more eloquent way of saying what I was trying to say. Nicely done.
 
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