Cleveland Browns (2011 season)

[Bucklion]

I would have no problem with going DB, and I would have no problem taking one high. If Claiborne is the guy, then get him at #4. That's fine, Haden is working out nicely thus far. I want nothing to do with RGIII. Nothing against him, but taking a QB who had one really good year (against bad defenses at that) is a risk...Cam Newton being the exception (Akili Smith being the rule). Would I be happy if we had Cam right now? Yeah, but the eminent suck that is our WRs would have stunted his growth. Look at his first 2 games...he threw deep to Smith and then did it again until he figured out what he was doing...Smith was able to carry him until then. We have no such player. Thus a QB does us no good right now. Any QB is going to suck on our team without someone moving the ball to throw to or hand to. I agree that top 10 WRs are a risk, though I guess I am higher on Blackmon than everyone else here. But still, we need WRs and RBs, and this is coming from a person who believes you build teams with lines and defense. Eventually someone has to do something with the ball. So CB is fine with me, or get a skill guy. QB, not so much.

 

[BuckeyeMyk]

numbers is a strawman argument. otherwise, every wr from hawaii and texas tech would be taken in the 1st round. justin blackmon has no business being mentioned with andre johnson, megatron, fitz, aj green, or julio jones. he's nowhere near as physically gifted as those guys. then, there's the whole thing about him having no idea how to run an nfl route tree, which is where the dez bryant comparison falls into place.

justin blackmon is more michale crabtree than any other wr's mentioned here.

Numbers are almost the only argument you have. Athletically along with his numbers, he's comparable to all the above listed WR's. I literally went back and looked through the combine talk for each and every one of these receivers you're talking about and the opinion is almost always split down the middle on people who are saying they will bust and people saying they won't. If any of us could accurately predict Blackmon being the next Fitz vs. the next Crabtree, we'd be getting paid a lot of money. But from what we have to go off of, which are his college numbers, his athleticism (see sports science video), his hands and playmaking ability (see game film), and his level of competition (MUCH higher than anything from Hawaii and comparable to all the other receivers mentioned minus Green and Jones) he looks like he belongs in the convo to me.

 

[Bucklion]

1. if you don't have a franchise qb and you think a guy is a franchise qb, you take him. that philosophy will never change.
2. if cleveland trades out of #4 so a team can take RG3, they will plunder them.
3. i don't know if you're knocking my typo or are ignorant to who the top draft prospects this year. claiborne is a better prospect than haden was coming out of college.

I wouldn't expect another Atlanta-type trade...most people thing the Falcons gave up way too much. The QB thing is the WC of course, because some teams way overpay for a "hot" QB...but I don't know that we'll get enough to passing on another elite player (like Blackmon, Claiborne, or Richardson) to do it.

 

[BuckeyeMyk]

now were talking...im sick of talking about our first round pick...championships are built in rounds 3-7...i love LaMicheael james...depending on how he does in the combine i could see him being a late 2nd, early 3rd round pick...browns could use him in a sproles type role if they wanted...dont see james carrying a load as a feature back especially if they are having him run between the tackles unless he bulks the [censored] way up...Doug Martin from Boise is another i like around these rounds as well

At WR in rounds 3-7 i like Tommy Streeter from Miami, who had a huge year for Miami last year...he should be in the round 3-4 range especially if he runs a 4.4 40 time standing at 6'4...Jarius Wright from Arkansas and even Posey in rounds 4-5 i like

other names i like in rounds 3-7 randomly: Leonard Johnson, CB (Iowa State), Cam Johnson, DE (Virginia), Shea McClellin, DE (Boise St), Terrell Manning, OLB (NCst), Brandon Mosley, OT (Auburn), Nate Potter, OT (Boise St), Bobby Massie, OT (Mississippi)




it all depends on who your talking to...these guys say he is a good route runner

http://walterfootball.com/scoutingreport2012jblackmon.php
http://www.rantsports.com/mock-draft/2011/11/25/justin-blackmon-scouting-report/
http://www.yournfldraft.com/top-5-WRs-for-the-2012-NFL-Draft.html

or that he needs to polish on his route running according to these guys

http://football.about.com/od/Wide-Receivers/p/Justin-Blackmon.htm
http://optimumscouting.com/rankings...report-justin-blackmon-wr-oklahoma-state.html
http://ogdraft.com/2011/11/justin-blackmon-scouting-report/

i believe he is a good route runner...i watched him closely during the stanford game (why not he could be a future brown) and i thought he did very well running routes...some of those post routes were run perfectly and i know one post route to the left end went for a TD

Really good post, definitely some names I hadn't thought of. I agree 100% on the James comment and would also not mind seeing Doug Martin fall to us. Really like the Posey pick up for obvious reasons, but I also think he could turn into a good NFL WR. Also wouldn't mind seeing the combine numbers LaVon Brazill (OU) puts up because he is about a talented a receiver I've ever seen in the redzone and honestly think he's more talented albeit a different type of receiver than Taylor Price was. Really like the focus on DE and OT as well could really use some help on the right side on the line and Jayme Mitchell just isn't a long term solution at DE either.

 

[jlb1705]

I'm down for BPA as long as it's not a QB or DT. Actually since this the Browns we're talking about, we probably also ought to ask them not to use a first round pick on a K, P or LS either.

What I'm not down with is trading up to picks 1-3. There are too many needs to address, and there isn't a single player in this draft who can fix them all on his own.

If the BPA at #4 is Claiborne, I'm fine with that for the same reasons I would have been fine with picking Patrick Peterson last year if he had fell to the Browns. However, if they take a defensive player with their top pick they'll need to go after offensive skill players with the next few picks for sure.

 

[BuckeyeMyk]

I'm down for BPA as long as it's not a QB or DT. Actually since this the Browns we're talking about, we probably also ought to ask them not to use a first round pick on a K, P or LS either.

What I'm not down with is trading up to picks 1-3. There are too many needs to address, and there isn't a single player in this draft who can fix them all on his own.

If the BPA at #4 is Claiborne, I'm fine with that for the same reasons I would have been fine with picking Patrick Peterson last year if he had fell to the Browns. However, if they take a defensive player with their top pick they'll need to go after offensive skill players with the next few picks for sure.

BPA is what I'm looking at as well. Would have loved to have Peterson last year if he was available. Claiborne is a sure fire starter if not a lockdown cb in the league and would go great alongside Haden, being a little taller. I also agree no qb or dt, however my question is if luck/blackmon/claiborne somehow fall off the board in that order, do we take Kalil a prototypical LT and try him out as a RT, or do you trade down?

 

[tsteele316]

BPA is what I'm looking at as well. Would have loved to have Peterson last year if he was available. Claiborne is a sure fire starter if not a lockdown cb in the league and would go great alongside Haden, being a little taller. I also agree no qb or dt, however my question is if luck/blackmon/claiborne somehow fall off the board in that order, do we take Kalil a prototypical LT and try him out as a RT, or do you trade down?

if by some miracle kalil is still on the board at #4, cleveland's phone will be ringing off the hook. but there is no way that he lasts until #4.

 

[BuckeyeMyk]

if by some miracle kalil is still on the board at #4, cleveland's phone will be ringing off the hook. but there is no way that he lasts until #4.

No doubt, but many sources say Rams are for sure going Blackmon, which leaves the Vikes between Claiborne and Kalil and their secondary was just plain miserable last year and OL is something they could address in FA. So while it may be a longshot, it's still entirely possible.

 

[jlb1705]

No doubt, but many sources say Rams are for sure going Blackmon, which leaves the Vikes between Claiborne and Kalil and their secondary was just plain miserable last year and OL is something they could address in FA. So while it may be a longshot, it's still entirely possible.

The Rams are saying they like Blackmon and/or Griffin because they know the Browns and Redskins are run by rubes.

 

[Mac]

1. if you don't have a franchise qb and you think a guy is a franchise qb, you take him. that philosophy will never change.
2. if cleveland trades out of #4 so a team can take RG3, they will plunder them.
3. i don't know if you're knocking my typo or are ignorant to who the top draft prospects this year. claiborne is a better prospect than haden was coming out of college.

1. I like RGIII, but I wouldn't go out and say he's the franchise qb for this team in the future. Unfortunately, he reminds me of Vince young, and that didn't work out. I've said this since the draft talk has started, I'd rather sign/trade/pick up/etc a qb that has already shown he can play in the nfl. I think RGIII is a great college football qb, but is he going to be a good nfl qb??

3. Yes, no, yes

 

[ArmyVet83]

The more talk I hear about RGIII being the Browns selection, the more I feel it's a smokescreen for a trade down.

I know we are talking about the Cleveland Browns but I WANT to think the Browns are trying to set up a trade.

This is the NFL, and while RGIII is a talent, I don't think he is an NFL QB. I could be wrong but at this stage, I think opposing teams would de-cleat the kid at every opportunity, esp Baltimore and Pittsburgh.

Unless the Brown's front office are a bunch of morons, they still need too many parts to become a contender. Not just make the playoffs, but compete.

IMO, Matt Flynn is a better fit for this offense than RGIII (price is to high to trade up for Luck). Make Make Flynn a priority in FA and go from there but do not pick RGIII.

 

[Mike80]

I was revisiting my thoughts about Crabtree in the 2009 thread and ran across this post.


I agree with 2009 BM80 (about receivers). I really don't like WR at #4, unless he's a stud like Calvin Johnson.

touche

Unfortunately following the same logic, unless they are really lucky and get Kalil or they really like Claiborne, that means trade down. Again.

Batter up Dan Snyder

 

[NFBuck]

if by some miracle kalil is still on the board at #4, cleveland's phone will be ringing off the hook. but there is no way that he lasts until #4.

Nor do you pick a guy to play at RT with the #4 pick with so many other needs.

 

[NFBuck]

1. I like RGIII, but I wouldn't go out and say he's the franchise qb for this team in the future. Unfortunately, he reminds me of Vince young, and that didn't work out. I've said this since the draft talk has started, I'd rather sign/trade/pick up/etc a qb that has already shown he can play in the nfl. I think RGIII is a great college football qb, but is he going to be a good nfl qb??

He's nothing like VY. VY had a decent arm, but throws like a girl. He had horrific mechanics, and they never really improved once he got to the NFL. He also had a history of making some pretty puzzling throws in college. Griffen was much more responsible with the ball, and on several occasions simply dissected defenses wth his arm...something VY never showed the ability to do. RGIII has a rocket and is pretty well off mechanically. He isn't my first choice, but if they can actually manage to get some skill position players to go along with him, I could live with it.

 

[3074326]

I feel like I'm the only person who still wants them to take Richardson. I think he looks like the real deal.. best since Peterson imo. Perfect fit for the offense. No injury concerns. Taking a RB that high is ok when the kid looks and plays like Richardson. He also split a lot of time throughout his career with Ingram, so he wasn't a total workhorse his whole year like many guys of his caliber.

BPA all the way, I think he's going to be the BPA.