Cleveland Browns (2010 season)

[NFBuck]

I agree...I'm just saying that with the Browns likely to win at least two more games this year, the stud WRs may not be there when they are drafting. I'm just saying let's not close the door entirely on a WR Free Agent could who do the job.....

That may not be a bad thing. I haven't looked it up, but it seems to me, more of the leagues elite receivers of the past decade have come in the mid-late 1st round rather than early...Santonio, Roddy White, DeSean Jackson, Reggie Wayne, Dwayne Bowe, Randy Moss, Marvin Harrison were all picked later in round one. So I think that shows that you can get a gamebreaker if you do your scouting.

 

[Bucklion]

That may not be a bad thing. I haven't looked it up, but it seems to me, more of the leagues elite receivers of the past decade have come in the mid-late 1st round rather than early...Santonio, Roddy White, DeSean Jackson, Reggie Wayne, Dwayne Bowe, Randy Moss, Marvin Harrison were all picked later in round one. So I think that shows that you can get a gamebreaker if you do your scouting.

In fact who was the last top tier #1 to actually do anything at WR? Anyone from the Lions? Braylon? Anyone? I hate the thought of drafting a WR in the top 5-10...

 

[Tonyank]

In fact who was the last top tier #1 to actually do anything at WR? Anyone from the Lions? Braylon? Anyone? I hate the thought of drafting a WR in the top 5-10...

Calvin Johnson is a STUD.

 

[NFBuck]

Calvin Johnson is a STUD.

Andre Johnson too, as is Larry Fitzgerald when he has a competent QB...but for each of them, there's one or two Charles Rogers, Mike Williams, Stonehands, Peter Warrick, David Terrell, Koren Robinson, Roy Williams or Ted Ginn. Sure, there are busts later, plenty of them, but it seems like the hit rate on WR in the top-10 is pretty low. That said, if the Browns were to tank and A.J. Green was sitting there, I'd be thrilled to grab him. Julio Jones as well, to a slightly lesser extent.

 

[Tonyank]

Andre Johnson too, as is Larry Fitzgerald when he has a competent QB...but for each of them, there's one or two Charles Rogers, Mike Williams, Stonehands, Peter Warrick, David Terrell, Koren Robinson, Roy Williams or Ted Ginn. Sure, there are busts later, plenty of them, but it seems like the hit rate on WR in the top-10 is pretty low. That said, if the Browns were to tank and A.J. Green was sitting there, I'd be thrilled to grab him. Julio Jones as well, to a slightly lesser extent.

agreed. I just think that is a key position we need some POP. not sure what scouts look for, but if we can get the WR i think it helps keep the QB safe and open up more room to run. Hillis wont do this again next year without a deep threat

Hopfully Colt can only get better. then build the DB's

 

[stowfan]

If I was drafting for the Browns, and Brandon Saine was on the board late in the draft, I would take him, and from day one have him work out as a slot receiver, not running back.

 

[Bucklion]

Calvin Johnson is a STUD.

Andre Johnson too, as is Larry Fitzgerald when he has a competent QB...but for each of them, there's one or two Charles Rogers, Mike Williams, Stonehands, Peter Warrick, David Terrell, Koren Robinson, Roy Williams or Ted Ginn. Sure, there are busts later, plenty of them, but it seems like the hit rate on WR in the top-10 is pretty low. That said, if the Browns were to tank and A.J. Green was sitting there, I'd be thrilled to grab him. Julio Jones as well, to a slightly lesser extent.

No one will argue Calvin Johnson, but they also busted out at least 2 other times...making it a 33% proposition. Not the kind of odds you want. I didn't think AJ was drafted that high, but I must have just forgotten. Certainly Fitzgerald is plenty good too. The second point is the one I was really making, which is the odds...I'd rather find my WRs later and take tackles and DBs in the first round personally.

 

[jlb1705]

No one will argue Calvin Johnson, but they also busted out at least 2 other times...making it a 33% proposition. Not the kind of odds you want. I didn't think AJ was drafted that high, but I must have just forgotten. Certainly Fitzgerald is plenty good too. The second point is the one I was really making, which is the odds...I'd rather find my WRs later and take tackles and DBs in the first round personally.

What happens when we look at it from the other direction though? Take a look at the top ten right now in receiving yards for the season. Six of the ten were drafted in the first round.

What that tells me is, while the odds of finding a top receiver in the first round may seem low, they're still better there than anywhere else in the draft.

 

[billmac91]

What happens when we look at it from the other direction though? Take a look at the top ten right now in receiving yards for the season. Six of the ten were drafted in the first round.

What that tells me is, while the odds of finding a top receiver in the first round may seem low, they're still better there than anywhere else in the draft.

Correct. Plus AJ Green, minus the agent/jersey slip-up is considered a high character guy. The guy has can't miss all over him. Plus Julio Jones is 6'5 225 lbs with good speed.

I just don't think the Browns can afford to turn a big play ability guy that can grow with Colt if he is there. By all means, move onto the BPA if Jones or Green are off the board. If they're still there around pick 10, I can't see how they wouldn't be BPA at that slot.

 

[BuckNut65]

Our defense is old. We need help up front, in the middle and in the secondary at both corner and safety. I don't disagree with the need for a go-to receiver but our d-line, especially an End/OLB that can get to the QB has been missing from this franchise since day one. I don't think anyone here thinks that Marcus Benard is the answer to that prayer.

 

[jlb1705]

The Browns' main problem isn't that they draft the wrong positions, it's that they draft the wrong players. It's the same argument I had with the Pickle Tickler (rhabuf) last year - the Browns need a talent infusion from a BPA drafting approach. Don't worry about positions - there's no position on the team where the Browns have too much talent. That's part of the reason we keep having these arguments year after year - the Browns still suck at most positions, so one could argue about need at pretty much any of them and have a valid point.

Look back at the 2001 draft (and try not to kill yourself). Even if one concedes that drafting a lineman early and a WR later is a more sound strategy, you have to get the right guys. In that draft, five of the six players picked 1-6 became Pro Bowlers. The Browns got Gerard Warren. After that, six of the seven players picked 30-36 became Pro Bowlers. The Browns got Quincy Morgan. :2004: Oh, and Koren Robinson was called a bust, but apparently he made a Pro Bowl too (go figure), which is more than can be said for the Browns' parade of underwhelming 2nd Round WRs.

It should also be noted (loathe as we may be to admit it) that the two most threatening pass targets* the Browns have drafted since returning to the league have been Braylon Edwards and Kellen Winslow - both early first rounders.

*I was going to say "pass catchers" at first.

 

[tsteele316]

The Browns' main problem isn't that they draft the wrong positions, it's that they draft the wrong players. It's the same argument I had with the Pickle Tickler (rhabuf) last year - the Browns need a talent infusion from a BPA drafting approach. Don't worry about positions - there's no position on the team where the Browns have too much talent. That's part of the reason we keep having these arguments year after year - the Browns still suck at most positions, so one could argue about need at pretty much any of them and have a valid point.

Look back at the 2001 draft (and try not to kill yourself). Even if one concedes that drafting a lineman early and a WR later is a more sound strategy, you have to get the right guys. In that draft, five of the six players picked 1-6 became Pro Bowlers. The Browns got Gerard Warren. After that, six of the seven players picked 30-36 became Pro Bowlers. The Browns got Quincy Morgan. :2004: Oh, and Koren Robinson was called a bust, but apparently he made a Pro Bowl too (go figure), which is more than can be said for the Browns' parade of underwhelming 2nd Round WRs.

It should also be noted (loathe as we may be to admit it) that the two most threatening pass targets* the Browns have drafted since returning to the league have been Braylon Edwards and Kellen Winslow - both early first rounders.

*I was going to say "pass catchers" at first.

LT, QB and TE are the only positions that should be off limits in the 1st round this year (and of course kickers). anything else is fair game.

 

[Bucklion]

The Browns' main problem isn't that they draft the wrong positions, it's that they draft the wrong players. It's the same argument I had with the Pickle Tickler (rhabuf) last year - the Browns need a talent infusion from a BPA drafting approach. Don't worry about positions - there's no position on the team where the Browns have too much talent. That's part of the reason we keep having these arguments year after year - the Browns still suck at most positions, so one could argue about need at pretty much any of them and have a valid point.

Look back at the 2001 draft (and try not to kill yourself). Even if one concedes that drafting a lineman early and a WR later is a more sound strategy, you have to get the right guys. In that draft, five of the six players picked 1-6 became Pro Bowlers. The Browns got Gerard Warren. After that, six of the seven players picked 30-36 became Pro Bowlers. The Browns got Quincy Morgan. :2004: Oh, and Koren Robinson was called a bust, but apparently he made a Pro Bowl too (go figure), which is more than can be said for the Browns' parade of underwhelming 2nd Round WRs.

It should also be noted (loathe as we may be to admit it) that the two most threatening pass targets* the Browns have drafted since returning to the league have been Braylon Edwards and Kellen Winslow - both early first rounders.

*I was going to say "pass catchers" at first.

I guess my point just is who have we actually hit on...Joe Thomas, Mack...offensive linemen. Those guys seem to pan out more than other positions, though they aren't flashy picks with a lot of publicity associated with them. Haden looks promising so far, and even Ward (even as in early second) looks like he could become a good player. Who have we busted on? Hardesty. WRs. LB/DE hybrid fucktards. Maybe it's too early to say guys like Robo and Massaquoi are busts per se, but I don't think I'm overreaching to think we should have gotten more from second rounders than them and Hardesty thus far, and Veikune was just a joke from the start. We need linemen for the right side on offense and for any position on defense...yes, I know Warren and Courtney Brown didn't pan out either, but I'd rather take my chances building this team in the trenches with the power run game and finding some WR pieces where we can. Either that or trade down and take a WR late in the first round. I just hate the idea of a top 10-15 pick on a WR. We aren't going to be the Colts even if we hit with it.

 

[y0yoyoin]

I guess my point just is who have we actually hit on...Joe Thomas, Mack...offensive linemen. Those guys seem to pan out more than other positions, though they aren't flashy picks with a lot of publicity associated with them. Haden looks promising so far, and even Ward (even as in early second) looks like he could become a good player. Who have we busted on? Hardesty. WRs. LB/DE hybrid fucktards. Maybe it's too early to say guys like Robo and Massaquoi are busts per se, but I don't think I'm overreaching to think we should have gotten more from second rounders than them and Hardesty thus far, and Veikune was just a joke from the start. We need linemen for the right side on offense and for any position on defense...yes, I know Warren and Courtney Brown didn't pan out either, but I'd rather take my chances building this team in the trenches with the power run game and finding some WR pieces where we can. Either that or trade down and take a WR late in the first round. I just hate the idea of a top 10-15 pick on a WR. We aren't going to be the Colts even if we hit with it.

colt mccoy has looked good so far as well...and thats why i think we should get a WR...Hillis is the future...you cannot call hardesty a bust when he has been injured and hasn't even played one snap in the NFL yet...our defense has been built for the most part thru trades and free agency...i like our defense and we do need more help in alot of different areas but i think for Colt to get better he needs more weapons...every great QB has a great receiver to throw too....guarantee next pick the Rams make will be at WR...browns are a handful of teams in the NFL without a proven WR (oakland, st louis, seattle) so depending on our pick position, Green or Jones could even be gone by the time we draft....if i had to take something other then a WR for the browns in the first round i would hope we take a DT that can play in the 3-4 or whatever hybrid scheme ryan comes up with at the time

 

[jlb1705]

I just hate the idea of a top 10-15 pick on a WR. We aren't going to be the Colts even if we hit with it.

Maybe not, but a credible WR - whether through draft, trade or free agency - is an important piece in my IMO in taking some pressure off guys like Hillis & McCoy. Any move that helps keep a couple promising guys like those from blowing up or burning out is a positive in my book.

I would normally disagree with the idea that getting a good WR would be more effective than shoring up the O-line for doing that, but I think the current incarnation of the Browns is an exception.

However, if there's a better player at any other position when the Browns are on the clock, that's the guy they need to go for in my IMO.