Cleveland Browns (2010 season)

[NFBuck]

I'm conflicted. I'd prefer not giving up to much for Kolb - especially the way the bottom has fallen out.

However in the spot duty he saw last year, obviously everyone knew he threw for 300+ yards per game. Pre-season he's been garbage, and now he's looking that way week 1, maybe week 3?

I'm not ready to write Colt off yet, I"m just not. Does Kolb have a higher ceiling? Perhaps. That said, I wouldn't give up a 1st or 2nd rounder for him. We have too many needs with possible draft stars coming out at positions that are critical to a teams success. Besides, even if we got Kolb - what's going to happen to him playing behind the right side of that Oline? :(

If he's tabbed as the starter for the Eagles in week 3, we'll see what happens. However I'm very suspicious of this now, unless of course this is all bum information we've been getting.

Reid already said Vick is starting.

...and those two "big games"? One was against NO, but he chucked it 51 times, and was also picked of thrice in a 22-48 blowout loss and the other was against Detroit. So, those numbers should be taken with the proverbial grain of salt. Not to mention that in 2008 he was 17-34 for 144 yards with no touchdowns and 4 INTs...

 

[muffler dragon]

To me, the Browns picking up Kolb would be "grasping at straws".

 

[3074326]

The fact that he's gone from being basically "untouchable" to on the trade market so fast (and on the heels of a lot of questions popping up about his ability) makes me very weary. Six weeks ago they were planning on building their franchise around him, now they want to trade him? Something isn't right.

I agree, but he's more proven than a rookie, and would be the starter. That much value for a third rounder is excellent. It's the contract that lowers his value. He's still young and mostly unproven, but he's at least shown he has the ability to start. A small sample size, definitely, but definitely worth a third rounder if you're the Browns.

I don't really see it as grasping for straws unless they give up more than a third. A starting QB for a third rounder would be great, but that's also why I don't think he'll be traded. The Eagles won't let go of a QB they thought could start for their team for just a third rounder. If someone overpays, I'm looking at Oakland. They're fucking stupid over there.

I'd rather them hold on to the first and seconds and get some other impact players in the draft. But if they get Kolb for what he's worth, awesome.

 

[NFBuck]

I agree, but he's more proven than a rookie, and would be the starter. That much value for a third rounder is excellent. It's the contract that lowers his value. He's still young and mostly unproven, but he's at least shown he has the ability to start. A small sample size, definitely, but definitely worth a third rounder if you're the Browns.

I don't really see it as grasping for straws unless they give up more than a third. A starting QB for a third rounder would be great, but that's also why I don't think he'll be traded. The Eagles won't let go of a QB they thought could start for their team for just a third rounder. If someone overpays, I'm looking at Oakland. They're fucking stupid over there.

I'd rather them hold on to the first and seconds and get some other impact players in the draft. But if they get Kolb for what he's worth, awesome.

I wouldn't even give a 3rd rounder for him given what he's shown and his salary. Everybody talks about the two big games last year, but like I pointed out above, one was in a blowout loss to NO where he was picked off three times and chucked it 51 times. The other was against Detroit who I could have probably thrown for 300 yards against last year. He has a career passer rating of 67.8, has 4 Tds against 7 INT for his career and a mediocre 6.5 ypa for his career. I don't see any reason to give up a decent draft choice for that. We're not going to win any games with the Wallace/Delhomme duo from hell, but I don't think Kolb helps much either...short term or long. Save that draft choice and hope you can find a starter at another position and start looking at the Qbs who will be there in the early part of round 1 in April.

 

[3074326]

I just don't think you can pass up a chance at a QB who would start as soon as he comes in for a third-rounder. I'd rather take a risk on Kolb at his salary + a third rounder than pay some rookie 3x more and give up a top 10 pick.

Not saying Kolb has looked good, but he has upside and has shown he can play some football at least. With time I think he'll be a solid QB at worst.

I don't think the Eagles give him up for a third rounder either way, so it really doesn't matter.

 

[NFBuck]

I just don't think you can pass up a chance at a QB who would start as soon as he comes in for a third-rounder. I'd rather take a risk on Kolb at his salary + a third rounder than pay some rookie 3x more and give up a top 10 pick.

Not saying Kolb has looked good, but he has upside and has shown he can play some football at least. With time I think he'll be a solid QB at worst.

I don't think the Eagles give him up for a third rounder either way, so it really doesn't matter.

His career numbers indicate he's not much better that Wallace and given the supporting cast, I doubt he could produce much better than Seneca did last week. At least Wallace is mobile. Kolb is a statue and would get killed by the right side of this line. I think there's gonna be a couple of qbs sitting up there that will be worth the top-10 pick next year in Mallett & Luck...it's just a matter of the Browns not fucking themselves over with meaningless wins like they do every year so that they're in the position to draft him. No point in trading a draft choice for a guy who looks like nothing more than a mediocre player anyway. Not to mention they still have Colt, who I think everybody is being a little quick to write off...

 

[1997Buckeye]

To me, the Browns picking up Kolb would be "grasping at straws".

I've been following the Browns since I was 12. Other than a few good years with the"Dawg Pound" and Kosar, isn't this what the franchise always does.
Terrible front office moves have been the problem with the Browns since they returned.

At least there is always next year!

Too bad I've been saying this since around 91'

 

[muffler dragon]

I've been following the Browns since I was 12. Other than a few good years with the"Dawg Pound" and Kosar, isn't this what the franchise always does.
Terrible front office moves have been the problem with the Browns since they returned.

At least there is always next year!

Too bad I've been saying this since around 91'

Without attempting to get into a referendum on the Browns (particularly since they came back), I'll simply say that nothing has panned out or even broken positively for a long time.

I, like NFBuck, don't find anything about Kolb that speaks of worth (at least, enough to make a move for him).

 

[CookyPuss]

You win in Cleveland with a lights out D, a power running game, and a heady QB who doesn't make stupid mistakes. Until, they get the first 2 in line, there is really no point to finding #3.

 

[muffler dragon]

You win in Cleveland with a lights out D, a power running game, and a heady QB who doesn't make stupid mistakes. Until, they get the first 2 in line, there is really no point to finding #3.

NO. SHIT! :cheers:

 

[Mike80]

How do you win CONSISTENTLY in the NFL?

Solid offensive and defensive line play. control the LOS, control the clock, control the game.

Add the superstars (of which Kolb is DECIDEDLY NOT) after the solid players across the lines have been entrenched.

This speculation and possible move is screaming QUICK FIX - except just about anyone with half a brain already knows the Browns aren't a quick fix by any stretch of the imagination.

 

[CookyPuss]

How do you win CONSISTENTLY in the NFL?

Solid offensive and defensive line play. control the LOS, control the clock, control the game.

Nail on head. This is a pretty entertaining article all around, but this point really made me chuckle:

http://www.mensjournal.com/the-nfls-next-evolution

Instead of remembering where they were when Neil Armstrong walked on the moon, young people of this decade will recall where they were when Jahri Evans signed a contract for $57 million -- which also happened to be the same day they whispered to themselves, "Who the hell is Jahri Evans?" The thing is, nobody knows who Jahri Evans is. Even guys who played with him during the Saints' Super Bowl run need a minute to place the team's starting right guard. "Good for him. I love his albums," Reggie Bush said when asked about the Evans deal. Okay, I made that last part up, but the point is, NFL executives have discovered an eternal economic truth: Running backs burn out quick, while the anonymous fat guys they run behind last well into their 30s. Two signature last-decade moves were San Diego paying a superstar diva like LaDainian Tomlinson $8 million a year to turn into Mr. Magoo and soon-to-be ex-contender Seattle cutting vicious mauler Steve Hutchinson loose because, as the saying goes, "you can always find a guard." The new exploitative-capitalist blueprint: Draft young running backs in the middle rounds, run the bastards into the ground while they're still under their rookie deals, then shove them and their wrecked knees out the door and in the direction of the CFL. Meanwhile, re-sign scary-bearded guards like Alan Faneca and Logan Mankins to whopper contracts.

Yes, when Matt Taibbi isn't busy spinning conspiracy tales about the blood sucking vampire squid, Goldman Sachs; he writes some pretty funny shit about sports. Who knew?

 

[Buckeneye]

Well, then the obvious would be draft a RT - badly. Perhaps a RG with a mid-round pick. If you don't have those two then no point in grabbing Mallet or Luck.

A playmaking DE (Cam) would be awesome. We're going to need a pass rush and getting premium athletic ability in the LB corps is critical. (again, fucking up on not taking Thaddeus feels awesome)

So far our previous draft has had some promising hits. Haden and Ward look to be solid thus far, which is much better then we had. - I'd love to see Lavauo contribute in a year or so.

However I'm still not comfortable with our RB situation and was never huge on taking Hardesty, but it is what it is. I wish him well and hopefully he can make a full recovery, with possibly, one day being in a solid rotation.

However there will be wealth of RB options in this upcoming draft (just take a look at the Big 12 for god sake) and if Harrison is decidedly playing like garbage this entire year I would have no hesitation in cutting him.

Still waiting for a James Davis sighting. We don't need a feature back, but a nice 1-2 punch sure would be great to see back in Cleveland (80's 90's style)

 

[NFBuck]

Well, then the obvious would be draft a RT - badly. Perhaps a RG with a mid-round pick. If you don't have those two then no point in grabbing Mallet or Luck.

I don't think you pass on either of those two if you need a qb. It's not like you have to play them right away behind a shit OL. Upgrades to the OL can also be made in FA, so there's always that.

As far as the RB situation, anybody with a brain could see Harrison is not a very good RB. People were creaming themselves after he went wild at the end of the year conveniently ignoring who he put those numbers up against. He's a situational guy, a change of pace guy...not a feature back. Hardesty, well, my feelings on that pick are well known. And as for James Davis, his entire resume, as far as I can see, is one good preseason game against Detroit two years ago, so I'm not in any hurry to see him. My guess is that he's just not very good.

This entire franchise is treading water right now. Daboll is awful, Mangini is for all intents and purposes a dead man walking, there's a dearth of talent at the skill positions, half of the OL is a turnstile and we have no QB that we can point to with confidence and say "the future". People laugh at the Detroit Lions and what Matt Millen did, but this franchise has been mismanaged nearly, if not as bad since day fucking one. I want them to win desperately, but the losing barely even bothers me anymore as I teeter on the brink of apathy...

 

[Buckeneye]

Well, I dont see this team being very active in big name FA - smart money would be on the offensive line built through the draft. Which IMHO we've done solid on so far. Obviously one of the few bright spots on this team are Thomas and Mack drafted under our colors. Good stuff there.

Kolb has the physical attributes you want - maybe Holmgren thinks he can put on his wizard hat and put the rest together? I'm not sure how that's going to shake out though.

So yeah, we're talking a top 10 pick on a QB then most likely a top 25 pick on a RT. That's pretty expensive, especially considering how many picks we'd have to give up to move back into the 1st found to for that bookend tackle we want. I'm sure the Pats will be middle of the 1st round, maybe back half - so there's always a franchise we can deal/bargain with.

I agree about Harrison. Hardesty, I think you and I have the same view. I just want to see Davis though. I understand he hasn't made much outside of a pre-season game. But he was considered far and wide, a steal in the draft by many.

His injury really didn't help and it think it would be best for this organization to get a better look at him if Harrison continues to be mediocre or the Moose keeps fumbling.

Daboll is garbage, and like I said - I'm sure most of us would take 1/10 of what the man is making and still run a better show.

The only thing I like about Mangini is that he's a bit of a hardass. Not only that but, for the all the middle of-the-road talent we have on defense, he's gotten them to play very hard and (collectively) quite well.


Again, a few bright spots. We have a very solid foundation for the Oline (left side) young and promising WR's. A potentially solid defensive secondary with young talent and obviously Cribbs - the best return man and a very dangerous offensive weapon.