Cleveland Browns (2009 Season)

[LitlBuck]

Well, this hasn't been talked for a while on here so I might as well say it. Anderson has had his chance and I think the Browns brain trust should start Quinn and name him the starter now rather than waiting until after the game against Tennessee to name the starter. There was not a single throw that Anderson made during the exhibition game against the Lions that Quinn could not have made plus I think he shows much more pocket presence than does Anderson. It probably won't make any difference this year regarding wins and losses with the supporting staff around whoever the QB is but I think it's about time they gave Quinn a shot like Anderson had two years ago.

 

[Buckrock]

Well, this hasn't been talked for a while on here so I might as well say it. Anderson has had his chance and I think the Browns brain trust should start Quinn and name him the starter now rather than waiting until after the game against Tennessee to name the starter. There was not a single throw that Anderson made during the exhibition game against the Lions that Quinn could not have made plus I think he shows much more pocket presence than does Anderson. It probably won't make any difference this year regarding wins and losses with the supporting staff around whoever the QB is but I think it's about time they gave Quinn a shot like Anderson had two years ago.

I agree. If it's still close the week of the opener, let's see what Quinn can do. DA has 27 starts in the League. Quinn has three. Quinn is better suited in this offense. DA's throws downfield better but this will be "game planned" by the Vikings and taken away. I am still not confinced he can throw the short passes. I'm also not confinced Braylon Edwards can consistently catch the short passes. BE may not be a fit in this offense after this season.

 

[OH10]

I still think DA has more physical tools than Brady Quinn, but I understand the mindset of the Browns' fan to want to change QBs all the time.

There are only two quarterbacks to lead the Browns to winning seasons since they came back in '99 (Tim Couch, Derek Anderson) - yet they've both been booed by the fans and cheered when they got injured.

I've seen nothing from Brady Quinn that makes me think he's the next Brian Sipe and Otto Graham ain't walkin' through that door.

Ah, screw it: Start Brady - he'll get booed and benched by Week 6.

 

[Bucklion]

I still think DA has more physical tools than Brady Quinn, but I understand the mindset of the Browns' fan to want to change QBs all the time.

There are only two quarterbacks to lead the Browns to winning seasons since they came back in '99 (Tim Couch, Derek Anderson) - yet they've both been booed by the fans and cheered when they got injured.

I've seen nothing from Brady Quinn that makes me think he's the next Brian Sipe and Otto Graham ain't walkin' through that door.

Ah, screw it: Start Brady - he'll get booed and benched by Week 6.

Thing is DA has been the same QB since his days at Oregon State, both good and bad. If anything he would be perfect for the Raiders, because they want to run and light up the vertical passing game as their top 2 options. I don't see the Browns offense as meshing with his strengths, and both his strengths and weaknesses have been what they have been for a while now. I am personally not a jump to replace the QB person much, but I do think it's time to see if BQ is a better fot for this offense.

 

[NFBuck]

I still think DA has more physical tools than Brady Quinn, but I understand the mindset of the Browns' fan to want to change QBs all the time.

There are only two quarterbacks to lead the Browns to winning seasons since they came back in '99 (Tim Couch, Derek Anderson) - yet they've both been booed by the fans and cheered when they got injured.

I've seen nothing from Brady Quinn that makes me think he's the next Brian Sipe and Otto Graham ain't walkin' through that door.

Ah, screw it: Start Brady - he'll get booed and benched by Week 6.

...and what has DA shown you in the past year and a half other than a propensity to throw boneheaded interceptions? He put all those numbers and got those wins against an absolute joke of a schedule. Last year he faced a real schedule and looked like Craig Whelihan. Why not give the kid a chance? It's not like he could do any worse than Anderson who has had ONE good game since November '07. Oh wait, he was a Domer. You're right.

 

[Buckrock]

I still think DA has more physical tools than Brady Quinn, but I understand the mindset of the Browns' fan to want to change QBs all the time.

There are only two quarterbacks to lead the Browns to winning seasons since they came back in '99 (Tim Couch, Derek Anderson) - yet they've both been booed by the fans and cheered when they got injured.

I've seen nothing from Brady Quinn that makes me think he's the next Brian Sipe and Otto Graham ain't walkin' through that door.

Ah, screw it: Start Brady - he'll get booed and benched by Week 6.

OH110 Maybe so, but i am tired of seeing the good DA one game and the aweful DA the next. Coaches love his athletic talent but in Mangini's system its more than a rifle arm. I really don't care who starts as long as we win. I do want to see what Brady can do. OH10, how have you determined you've seen nothing of Brady to convinve you...he's only started three NFL games and was injured for part of the third game. I'm suprised its close between the two. I would have thought someone would have pulled away by now.

 

[Mike80]

OH110 Maybe so, but i am tired of seeing the good DA one game and the aweful DA the next. Coaches love his athletic talent but in Mangini's system its more than a rifle arm. I really don't care who starts as long as we win. I do want to see what Brady can do. OH10, how have you determined you've seen nothing of Brady to convinve you...he's only started three NFL games and was injured for part of the third game. I'm suprised its close between the two. I would have thought someone would have pulled away by now.

And that should tell you all you need to know about Quinn.

 

[OH10]

...Oh wait, he was a Domer. You're right.

That's it. It couldn't be that I actually like Derek Anderson, who led this team to 10-6 two years ago and had the team almost revived to 4-4 against the Ravens at home last year before the team (as a whole) blew a two-score lead. After that, the season dropped out because of injuries to the quarterbacks and other such problems.

People like to point to DA's 27 starts as his chance to show what he can do. The dude won 13 of those games, with a shit defense. Don't look a gift horse in the mouth. That's all I'm saying.

 

[tsteele316]

That's it. It couldn't be that I actually like Derek Anderson, who led this team to 10-6 two years ago and had the team almost revived to 4-4 against the Ravens at home last year before the team (as a whole) blew a two-score lead. After that, the season dropped out because of injuries to the quarterbacks and other such problems.

People like to point to DA's 27 starts as his chance to show what he can do. The dude won 13 of those games, with a shit defense. Don't look a gift horse in the mouth. That's all I'm saying.

revisionist history.

DA won 10 games with a piss-easy schedule, and a team that played over its head offensively for a majority of the season. even with that, he was still mediocre in many games, and had one of the worst performances of all time in a game that ultimately cost cleveland a playoff spot.

as for the ravens game last season, apparently you have forgotten DA throwing a pick 6 on a screen pass, which is pretty impressive in and of itself.

when you look that horse in the mouth, what you see are a handful of pretty white teeth surrounded by pure mouth-rot.

 

[NFBuck]

That's it. It couldn't be that I actually like Derek Anderson, who led this team to 10-6 two years ago and had the team almost revived to 4-4 against the Ravens at home last year before the team (as a whole) blew a two-score lead. After that, the season dropped out because of injuries to the quarterbacks and other such problems.

People like to point to DA's 27 starts as his chance to show what he can do. The dude won 13 of those games, with a shit defense. Don't look a gift horse in the mouth. That's all I'm saying.

Don Majkowski did the same in 1989 in GB. Where'd he go after that?

Who did he beat? He ran up those numbers against a joke schedule. Why is that so hard to comprehend? What has he done since then? I'll say it again, he's had ONE good game (vs. NYG) since November of 2007. He layed an egg in the game in 2007 that could have got that team into the playoffs.

He is what he is. A mediocre QB. Always was, always will be. He makes the same stupid ass mistakes he made in college. They invested all those draft picks in Quinn, might as well see what you have. You know what you have in DA and it ain't enough to win regularly in the NFL.

 

[LitlBuck]

I still think DA has more physical tools than Brady Quinn, but I understand the mindset of the Browns' fan to want to change QBs all the time.

There are only two quarterbacks to lead the Browns to winning seasons since they came back in '99 (Tim Couch, Derek Anderson) - yet they've both been booed by the fans and cheered when they got injured.

I've seen nothing from Brady Quinn that makes me think he's the next Brian Sipe and Otto Graham ain't walkin' through that door.

Ah, screw it: Start Brady - he'll get booed and benched by Week 6.

You forgot Milt Plum and quite a few other Browns QB's(Even if you are still coming post-1999). If you don't like us Browns fans whining all the time, ignore the thread.

 

[billmac91]

revisionist history.

DA won 10 games with a [censored]-easy schedule, and a team that played over its head offensively for a majority of the season. even with that, he was still mediocre in many games, and had one of the worst performances of all time in a game that ultimately cost cleveland a playoff spot.

as for the ravens game last season, apparently you have forgotten DA throwing a pick 6 on a screen pass, which is pretty impressive in and of itself.

when you look that horse in the mouth, what you see are a handful of pretty white teeth surrounded by pure mouth-rot.

I don't care who the QB was last year....when gameplans are destroyed for the QB because receivers CANNOT catch the ball, any QB will struggle. I wonder what Peyton Manning's career statistics look like in 3rd and long situations?

How many game-changing plays were blown due to drops? I can think of at least 3 games the Browns might win if Edwards doesn't drop a critical first down, a 60 yard bomb, or a sideline catch.

I don't really care who wins the QB battle...I just think its wrong to look at Anderson's numbers last year and conclude he sucks or isn't capable. Just as it is fair to critique the schedule when he was lighting it up. Then again, that season it seemed Edwards and Winslow were making a lot more plays. It helps when you're second and short due to a solid run game and receivers holding onto the ball. EVERY QB in the league would look miserable when facing 3 & 10 all game.....

 

[LitlBuck]

Not to change the subject or anything but there are rumblings that Pool might have another concussion. If that is true, I think he might be done for the season. Not sure if that is an NFL rule or not because of the number of concussions he has sustained. Looks like Mike Adams will be the starter at SS with Mike Furey being a possible backup which might get Robiskie on the field sooner.

 

[jlb1705]

Furrey at SS? Oh boy.

I'm all for Robo seeing the field earlier, but that sounds like another Browns disaster.

Not to mention Furry has been the most consistent receiver on the team IMO in the preseason games.

 

[MUBuck]

I don't care who the QB was last year....when gameplans are destroyed for the QB because receivers CANNOT catch the ball, any QB will struggle. I wonder what Peyton Manning's career statistics look like in 3rd and long situations?

How many game-changing plays were blown due to drops? I can think of at least 3 games the Browns might win if Edwards doesn't drop a critical first down, a 60 yard bomb, or a sideline catch.

I don't really care who wins the QB battle...I just think its wrong to look at Anderson's numbers last year and conclude he sucks or isn't capable. Just as it is fair to critique the schedule when he was lighting it up. Then again, that season it seemed Edwards and Winslow were making a lot more plays. It helps when you're second and short due to a solid run game and receivers holding onto the ball. EVERY QB in the league would look miserable when facing 3 & 10 all game.....

Here are some DA stats to think about.

2008
On 1st down: 52-105 (49.5%), 3 TD, 4 INT
On 3rd down: 41-90 (45.6%), 3 TD, 4 INT

2007
On 1st down: 121-206 (58.7%), 13 TD, 12 INT
On 3rd down: 84-159 (52.8%), 10 TD, 6 INT

I hear what you're saying about the receivers, but the fact remains that DA is simply too careless with the ball to lead a team to the playoffs (or a winning record for that matter).