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Cleveland Browns (2009 Season)

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ESPN is saying Holmgren will accept the Browns offer as GM/ President. I hope he gives Mangini a fair shot. The guy is a hard worker that has disciplined this team. If Holmgren can scout well and bring some added stability to this franchise then maybe in 2-3 years we can be competing for and in the playoffs. Stability is the key, I think Mangini at this point deserves another year.
 
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I'm giving myself a GPA...:biggrin: .. from the beginning of the year

NJ-Buckeye;1469311; said:
Guess I can't be objective... cuz I'm a big Cribbs fan.. having watched him with Kent... I've always thought Cribbs was a dangerous dude.. that could hit a homerun on any play... plus he's one seriously gutsy dude...

but if you are a believer that there are three elements that are key to a win (offense, defense, special teams)... and that whoever wins 2 of 3 generally wins... then I think Cribbs is jugular...

If you had to name the 5 BEST parts of the Browns... Cribbs has to be one of those 5... thus, worth more than $900K... not $10M... but I'm guessing he'd be ecstatic at $3M .. and I think he's worth that .. the Central Jersey Browns Backers has over 200 fans that meet every Sunday.. and they love this kid...

Without Cribbs we start every series from the 20... so 12 plays later, we're on the 40, throw an interception... and down by 20 again... I feel we HAVE TO HAVE Cribbs... cuz we don't have much else...
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NJ-Buckeye;1468824; said:
He's one of the top three KRs in the game... and Hester's making something like $7M a year...

He's also a pretty good gunner on special teams...

Need a trick play at QB... he's your man
Need insurance at WR or DB.. go grab Cribbs..

Jack of all trades + master of KR = value ... Caaa-ching .. he's gonna get a new deal... paying him < $1M is usurious and unfair business
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Let's see... Mangini said we would vastly improve the running game. Look what has happened. He also indicated we would play with better intelligence. We are near the top in the NFL in fewest penalties. He also indicated we would play hard and with toughness.

On the down side we continue to lead the NFL in Injuries. We are still unsettled at QB. We also need playmakers on both sides of the ball.

Overall I think Mangini has done a good job considering the talent level he inherited from years of abuse. We now have Cap room, 11 draft picks, and some great Roster moves (Roth, Moore, Trusnik, Bernard).

Holmgren should focus on GM and talent aquisition and keep Eric Mangini IMO. Lerner has to get out of the habit of paying former employees.
 
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Bucks21;1623852; said:
ESPN is saying Holmgren will accept the Browns offer as GM/ President. I hope he gives Mangini a fair shot. The guy is a hard worker that has disciplined this team. If Holmgren can scout well and bring some added stability to this franchise then maybe in 2-3 years we can be competing for and in the playoffs. Stability is the key, I think Mangini at this point deserves another year.
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I am not a big Mangini fan but I agree that he probably should be kept for one more year however I would like for him to get a new OC. I hope that Lerner is smart enough just to bring in Holmgren as the President/GM. It just makes me wonder if he will want complete control over all personnel matters and the roster. I think that if he wants to much control Mangini might walk or at least things will work out very well.
NJ-Buckeye;1623853; said:
I'm giving myself a GPA...:biggrin: .. from the beginning of the year

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You know and I know that the only reason you were on the Cribbs bandwagon was because he used to run roughshod on your Zippers:biggrin2:
 
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This certainly sounds like Mr. Lerner is going to have to open up his wallet a little more.

Cleveland.com
Cleveland Browns fired GM George Kokinis takes team to arbitration
By Tony Grossi
December 21, 2009, 1:08PM

Updated at 2:27 p.m.

Cleveland, Ohio - Former Browns General Manager George Kokinis claims the Browns made him promises of full authority over team personnel decisions that they never intended to keep and when he objected, he was fired.

That's the basis of an arbitration filed today with the NFL office against the Browns.

He is seeking in excess of $4 million in compensation and damages.
The Browns fired Kokinis on Nov. 2 after about nine months on the job. They notified him the dismissal was "for cause" and would not honor the remainder of his four-year contract. He was followed out of the team's facility by team vice president Lew Merletti and the club's human resources director.
The team has not explained the reasons for his dismissal. Kokinis believes the firing occurred because he objected to being a "yes man" to coach Eric Mangini.

"That would be a good interpretation of it because those are the facts," Jeffrey Kessler, Kokinis' lawyer, said in an interview with The Plain Dealer.
"It's George's contention that a variety of promises were made to him about the authority he would have even outside of the contract because he was concerned about that issue," Kessler said. "It's one of the principal issues he raised before agreeing to move to Cleveland and leave the Ravens.

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Holmgren accepts offer to become team president:

Mike Holmgren accepts team president role with Cleveland Browns | Cleveland Browns - cleveland.com -

Mike Holmgren accepts team president role with Cleveland Browns

By Mary Kay Cabot

December 21, 2009, 6:23PM

UPDATED: 6:27 p.m.

BEREA, Ohio -- Former Seahawks and Packers coach Mike Holmgren will become the Browns' new team president, according to a press release issued by the team early Monday evening. "We are pleased to announce that Mike Holmgren has agreed to join the Cleveland Browns," said owner Randy Lerner in the statement. "We will spend the rest of the week finalizing the details of the agreement and will make a formal announcement next week, at which time we will make him available to the media."
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Funny what a win over the Steelers and another win over anyone will do to change people's mindsets. A couple weeks ago everyone wanted mangini's head and now we want to keep him. I'm in favor of keeping him, I think he has proved enough with the talent we have and as long as we are winning I can set aside my personal feelings about the guy. This team has some work to do in the talent aquisition department but I like the direction of the team, especially on the offensive line.
 
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Mortensen on ESPN threw out Marty Mornhinweg as a HC candidate if Mangini gets canned. Granted, he's in the business of throwing shit against the wall to see what sticks, but that's one of the few backwards moves the Browns have left to make at this point. Giving a job to the guy who gave away the ball after winning an OT coin toss would be a classic Browns move though. If this is Holmgren's "guy" I'd be beyond disappointed. They could've hired fucking Matt Millen to make this move.
 
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aurorabuckeye13;1624018; said:
Funny what a win over the Steelers and another win over anyone will do to change people's mindsets. A couple weeks ago everyone wanted mangini's head and now we want to keep him. I'm in favor of keeping him, I think he has proved enough with the talent we have and as long as we are winning I can set aside my personal feelings about the guy. This team has some work to do in the talent aquisition department but I like the direction of the team, especially on the offensive line.
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I think the most impressive thing is simply that we continue to play hard even after major losses (both games and personnel to injury). I hope Mangini gets another year at least, but who knows what Holmgren will want.
 
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