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xcrunner
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Personally I'm a fan of not necessarily using top-5 picks.. I like the approach the Browns had last year, where they kept trading down. When you have as many holes as the Browns do, I'm not sure it makes sense to try and have a 'savior', and that's what your top-5 pick often becomes.. Puts too much pressure on him and the team IMO.
I think Suh is crazy but I also think they don't necessarily need to take him.. You can take 3 DLinemen later in the draft for less money than it would take to get Suh, and there is a ton of depth. You can go for Berry, and I'm not trying to be a homer, but let's say Coleman is mid-2nd round material, and Berry is top-5 material. Is there really that much of a difference between the two?
So I don't necessarily think they need to go for a top-5 pick. I would love a draft with a few DLinemen, a guy like Coleman and maybe another safety, a runningback (maybe this is where the first-round pick comes in.. Gerhart? Spiller?), I don't know how the OLinemen are looking in this draft.. If it's good, an OL or two. But that way the pressure doesn't all go on one guy.
And I still think Troy would be a good shot for them.. Just give him a shot. I was always ridiculously pissed they got Quinn. I get that he might be a better pro than Troy.. Although he hasn't really shown it yet.. But if he's better, was there much evidence he would be -that- much better? Trade up to get him vs get Troy in the 4th?
Either way, that's behind us, and I would get a QB like Troy who can scramble and make plays out of nothing, which is needed a lot with this offense.
Anyway basic point is I personally would like to see us go for quanitity over quality I guess. There's a lot of depth at a lot of positions, and I think that's the key sometimes... Not put all your faith in one guy, and all your money, when you can spread it out.
I think Suh is crazy but I also think they don't necessarily need to take him.. You can take 3 DLinemen later in the draft for less money than it would take to get Suh, and there is a ton of depth. You can go for Berry, and I'm not trying to be a homer, but let's say Coleman is mid-2nd round material, and Berry is top-5 material. Is there really that much of a difference between the two?
So I don't necessarily think they need to go for a top-5 pick. I would love a draft with a few DLinemen, a guy like Coleman and maybe another safety, a runningback (maybe this is where the first-round pick comes in.. Gerhart? Spiller?), I don't know how the OLinemen are looking in this draft.. If it's good, an OL or two. But that way the pressure doesn't all go on one guy.
And I still think Troy would be a good shot for them.. Just give him a shot. I was always ridiculously pissed they got Quinn. I get that he might be a better pro than Troy.. Although he hasn't really shown it yet.. But if he's better, was there much evidence he would be -that- much better? Trade up to get him vs get Troy in the 4th?
Either way, that's behind us, and I would get a QB like Troy who can scramble and make plays out of nothing, which is needed a lot with this offense.
Anyway basic point is I personally would like to see us go for quanitity over quality I guess. There's a lot of depth at a lot of positions, and I think that's the key sometimes... Not put all your faith in one guy, and all your money, when you can spread it out.
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Most years, I'd agree. But a good defense needs a gamechanger. Suh is that and with Rogers not getting any younger, I think you'd be crazy to pass up a chance to grab him. Same thing with Berry if you're picking in the 3-6 range and he's there. He's an Ed Reed type and if you have a chance to get one of those, you do it also.xcrunner;1616948; said:
See above, but to expound on my point: Berry looks like an Ed Reed type of disruptive force. Would you rather have that, or just settle for Coleman, who though he may end up being a very good safety, he's not a disruptive force like Berry could be. Great defenses often have game changing players. I think Berry is that and I think Suh is too.
In fairness to Brady, and I was also never a fan, he's played on plum awful teams. I don't think he'll ever really be given a real chance to develop here because the supporting cast is just so damned bad. I also think the FO recognizes that and isn't going to give up on him yet. We need to sure up the rightside of the OL. We need recievers in the worst way. A guy fresh off the practice squad was Brady's top target last week for Christ sakes. I'm hoping Robo is just a slow burner and can eventually become a solid #2. Mo M has skills, but he reminds me a lot of Braylon...I think he has something like 7 drops this year which is ridiculous. RB is another area of dire need. Harrison isn't an every down back. I'm not sold on Davis by a longshot, but I think this is an area that can be addressed in rounds 2 or 3.
This roster is almost in as bad a shape as it was in the expansion era...quite possibly worse if that's possible. It's a good thing they accumulated some extra picks this year, because they need them in the worst way.
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Buckrock
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NFBuck;1617714; said:
The Roster situation didnt happen over night. This is the mess Mangini inherited from years of mangerial abuse. Winslow and Braylon edwards were two of their better players and both needed to be moved.
I'll be at the game though hoping for a miracle.
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BuckNut65
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In order for the defense to be successful they need to be strong up the middle. You have 2 players in Suh and Berry that fit that mold. It would be a mistake to let that type of impact player slip by, however our drafts tend to be mistakes every year so I don't expect to see either one of them in a Browns uni next year.
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Buckrock
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BuckNut65;1617764; said:
Agree but if the Browns draft #1 is see them going with Suh. You can't teach size all things even. Is Berry even entering the draft? I wouldn't mind B. Spikes if he falls to the second round. We need playmakers on O BUT until our defense can stop folks we won't have a chance. Suh and Spikes up the middle (with Rogers and DQwell) would address your point of being "strong up the middle". CB and Saftey later in the draft along with RG, RT, TE and RB. Alot of needs some could be addressed in free agency but Clevelands a tough sell today.
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Bleed S & G
Taking Crazy Pills
Heading up north to freeze my ass off in Cleveland Browns Stadium tonight with my Steelers buddy - wish me luck, this is gonna suck.
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More and more talk about Mangini's impending axing. I just don't see how he keeps this job. He's bumbled around from the get-go.
As for the Bernie thing, I have no problem with him coming on in an advisory role, just keep any real power away.
As for future coaches, one name that I've been thinking about that hasn't been discussed much is Jim Harbaugh. Midwestern guy, young/enthusiastic and would definately add a new twist to the Browns/old-Browns rivalry.
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Bleed S & G
Taking Crazy Pills
Very cool game to be at, we were opposite of the Dawg Pound and protected from the wind - Browns fans are douchebags though, I've been to countless NCAA games, this was my 2nd NFL game - it's a whole diffrent animal in the stands.
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