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.Napoleonbuck
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Is Wimbley not a great talent or something? I can only imagine what he could do with a real defensive line.
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LitlBuck;902857; said:
Winslow was drafted by Butch Davis.
I'm inclined to agree with tsteele about Savage. Top to bottom, his drafts have been more solid (if not spectacular) than any of his New Browns predecessors. Since you attributed Winslow to Savage, you obviously don't remember this gem of a draft by Butch Davis. I'll take any of Savage's three draft classes so far over this steaming pile of crap (even with Winslow):
If you wanna talk about drafting "impact players", I think Savage nabbed one in Wimbley, and we'll see about this year's rookies. Savage's predecessor on the other hand, in four drafts, only managed to find two players whom I think can be reasonably labeled as "impact players" at this stage: Winslow and Andra Davis. For Winslow, he completely wasted a valuable pick to move up one spot to get him. I'm reluctant to give him credit for getting Andra Davis - he found him by accident - the third of three LBs picked in that draft behind Kevin Bentley and Ben Taylor.
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ouch. How many of those guys are even in the NFL right now?
tsteele316
Mr. Such and Such
Buckin' A;902914; said:
two things:
1. Cowher wants GM duties as well as being the HC. That type of situation never works out.
2. to answer JC's question, only Winslow and Sean Jones are still in the NFL to my knowledge.
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LitlBuck
Kevin Warren is an ass
I am so stupid
Savage's brilliant. I am sorry that I ever said anything regarding his drafts.
As soon as Edwards learns to catch the ball, he will be a Pro Bowl receiver plus WR was a position of need then. We have so many offensive lineman we didn't need to draft any.
For a second round pick, Pool, who has had two years under his belt will be one of the starting safeties. I guess I would like to know where he ranks among starting safeties in the NFL.
Frye and Savage had a love affair. I think the only reason Savage drafted him was because he was a "hometown" boy. Savage so highly of him that he drafted another QB 2 years later.
McMillan played well in the exhibition season last year but was a no-show during the season. He played well against KC this past Saturday but the question remains is the only a good practice player.
Hoffman is a backup at RG. How many guards do we need on the roster? Why did Savage have to go out and sign 3 FA OL (Bentley, Shaffer, Steinbach)? I think the answer is that he didn't draft for need. What good is a good starting WR, QB, RB if they do not have a decent OL in front of them. That is my problem was Savage. He did not draft for need.
I will let the 2006 draft go because those guys have only played for one season but Davis could be playing in Jackson's spot and Williams could be playing in Davis's.
If all the guys who have hammered me think so highly of Savage, you might want to check out all the comments on the drafting of BQ in that thread. It was about time Savage drafted Thomas. He only was three years too late.
Savage's brilliant. I am sorry that I ever said anything regarding his drafts.
As soon as Edwards learns to catch the ball, he will be a Pro Bowl receiver plus WR was a position of need then. We have so many offensive lineman we didn't need to draft any.
For a second round pick, Pool, who has had two years under his belt will be one of the starting safeties. I guess I would like to know where he ranks among starting safeties in the NFL.
Frye and Savage had a love affair. I think the only reason Savage drafted him was because he was a "hometown" boy. Savage so highly of him that he drafted another QB 2 years later.
McMillan played well in the exhibition season last year but was a no-show during the season. He played well against KC this past Saturday but the question remains is the only a good practice player.
Hoffman is a backup at RG. How many guards do we need on the roster? Why did Savage have to go out and sign 3 FA OL (Bentley, Shaffer, Steinbach)? I think the answer is that he didn't draft for need. What good is a good starting WR, QB, RB if they do not have a decent OL in front of them. That is my problem was Savage. He did not draft for need.
I will let the 2006 draft go because those guys have only played for one season but Davis could be playing in Jackson's spot and Williams could be playing in Davis's.
If all the guys who have hammered me think so highly of Savage, you might want to check out all the comments on the drafting of BQ in that thread. It was about time Savage drafted Thomas. He only was three years too late.
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LitlBuck;902971; said:
Once again, three years ago (2004) Savage was still in Baltimore. If he had drafted the proverbial Joe Thomas three years ago, he'd be playing for the Ravens. I know what you really meant by that and I'm being really nitpicky, but it also speaks to my point. He really hasn't had his hands on this team for as long as you and others seem to want to think. These things take time, especially when you have a franchise that still had expansion-level talent. After only two seasons and three drafts, I don't think we can know one way or the other whether Savage is doing well or not.
The Brodney Pools of the world are needed by this team. Most draft picks are not going to become superstars no matter who is putting together your draft. In the meantime, guys like Brodney Pool - a player who has probably only been average at best - are needed to replace the GARBAGE that populated this roster before Savage came in.
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tsteele316
Mr. Such and Such
you do realize how weak the OL pool was in the '05 draft don't you? It was already said that Cleveland was going BPA on day 1. Edwards has played 2 years, one of which was coming off of an ACL tear. You'll need a better rebuttal than this.
He hasn't started an NFL game to know where he rnaks among others. Cleveland let Brian Russell go in favor of him. Once again, he's a 3rd year player that is starting.
Cleveland had Trent Dilfer and nobody else at qb. Frye was thought to be a steal at that point of the draft. How many 3rd round qb's turn out to be all-pros, especially after 2 seasons? once again, you'll have to try harder.
McMillan was a 5th round pick that is a back-up in the 2 deep. What do you want from him?
Yes, drafting for need in the 7th round solves your problems.
Do you really not understand the lack of talent on this team when the current regime took over? Not only that, the defensive talent that was there didn't fit the 3-4 scheme.
Your logic here is baffling to me. It's like wiping your ass before your done crapping and then complaining about skid marks in your drawers because you lack the patience to finish the deal.
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This thread reminds me of the good old days.
- Dummy posts something dumb and thinks they are just smarter than everyone else.
- Mob calls the dummy out for the dumb post.
- Dummy can't believe that people are giving him crap and tries to defend his position.
- Hilarity ensues.
With the possible exception of the Quinn trade Savage has done a much better job than his predecessors. BTW if we could go back in time to 2004, hire Savage as the GM, and force him to pick the best OL we would have ended up with Robert Gallery. I think I'll stick with Joe Thomas. In fact the only player the Browns passed on in the 2004 draft that I would trade the Soldja for now is Roethlisberger. Hopefully I'll end up looking back on the Quinn pick like the KW2 pick. Hate it for the first couple years and then be happy with it. The only thing Savage could have done better in 2005 is pick a RB #1.
- Dummy posts something dumb and thinks they are just smarter than everyone else.
- Mob calls the dummy out for the dumb post.
- Dummy can't believe that people are giving him crap and tries to defend his position.
- Hilarity ensues.
With the possible exception of the Quinn trade Savage has done a much better job than his predecessors. BTW if we could go back in time to 2004, hire Savage as the GM, and force him to pick the best OL we would have ended up with Robert Gallery. I think I'll stick with Joe Thomas. In fact the only player the Browns passed on in the 2004 draft that I would trade the Soldja for now is Roethlisberger. Hopefully I'll end up looking back on the Quinn pick like the KW2 pick. Hate it for the first couple years and then be happy with it. The only thing Savage could have done better in 2005 is pick a RB #1.
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The hole this team is in is because of what happened, or did not happen, between 1999-2004. If there was a textbook on how not to build a team, much of it would be drawn from there.
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Bleed S & G
Taking Crazy Pills
after watching charlie and DA light up the field, unfortuantley looks like Brady may be playing much sooner than i thought. :(
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