Cincinnati Bearcats (Juggalos official thread of Faygo)

[buckeyesin07]

As for UC, tomorrow night will settle many of the questions being raised. If they win you'll see UC ahead of OSU in the polls again.

Doubtful. By the way, not sure what you mean when you say "ahead of OSU in the polls again" -- UC has never been ahead of OSU in the USA Today poll this year.

Should UC beat USF and lose no more than 1 game they will remain ahead unless the Buckeyes sweep.

Of course a 2-loss OSU team would be below a 1-loss UC team. Your point?

 

[Steve19]

They are not going to beat USF. I wouldn't be surprised if they get pounded.

 

[BuckeyeNation27]

FIFU

Again, they are not and never will be a top 10 program. They have the ability to be a top 10-15 team every few years. Frankly that's not bad for the UC program.

that's a lot different than "UC is now a football school. They will continue to put a good team on the field."

 

[Folanator]

that's a lot different than "UC is now a football school. They will continue to put a good team on the field."

I think you misunderstood or I was not clear. What I meant to say is that the UC administration decided to put their backing behind the FB program instead of just the BB program. They see the ability to generate revenues with a good football team.

So I am not saying that they are a top football school at all. Just that the emphasis is now on football rather than basketball.

So yes, I think with that in mind (along with where they are located in recruiting), they will continue to put a good coach and product on the field in the forseeable future.

 

[OH10]

They are not going to beat USF. I wouldn't be surprised if they get pounded.

And I wouldn't be surprised if they pounded USF into the ground. While I think Cincy's offense would struggle to move the ball against Ohio State's defense, USF is not in the same league. The Bearcats are a lot like Texas Tech in that their offense will look pretty against a mediocre defense. Against a good defense, they'd be exposed.

 

[Mike80]

Or the Big 10. People who live in 1 - 6 conference bowl record houses shouldn't be tossing stones around. Until the Big 10 starts winning some damn bowl games again they're going to be faced with this kind of well-if-not-them-then-who? kind of thinking in the polls. IU getting totally plastered by VIRGINIA! Sparty choking against CMU. Wisconsin and Penn State getting bitch slapped in bowl games -- it all comes home to roost.

and what does the results THIS YEAR have to do with LAST YEAR'S Virginia Tech team??

Frankly, over the past 10 years I'd say that Va Tech, BC and Miami would have won the majority of their games had they been members of the Big 10 or PAC 10.

Va Tech - yes probably.

Miami, only during the 2000, 2001 and 2002 seasons and maybe this year. Other than that they have been pretty mediocre at best.

BC? they had exactly 2 good seasons this decade.

As for UC, tomorrow night will settle many of the questions being raised. If they win you'll see UC ahead of OSU in the polls again. And until the Bucks get to the Penn State, Iowa, Michigan part of their schedule there will be little for the poll voters to consider to change their minds.

Or perhaps the value of defense of Ohio State will still carry the Buckeyes over Cincinnati with a convincing win against Purdidn't. Usually if both teams PLAY and WIN they usually don't flip flop too often mid-season.

Should UC beat USF and lose no more than 1 game they will remain ahead unless the Buckeyes sweep.

It could be worse. It could be Notre Dame.

UC is over-rated. Eventually they are going to experience issues related to a lack of depth on the team.

While Ntre Ame has a complete horse's ass for a coach, at least Ntre Ame has some football tradition and an actual PROGRAM.

 

[Folanator]

UC is over-rated. Eventually they are going to experience issues related to a lack of depth on the team.

While Ntre Ame has a complete horse's ass for a coach, at least Ntre Ame has some football tradition and an actual PROGRAM.

How are they over rated? While I 100% agree that they would loose to OSU by a few TD's, I am not sure that many teams behind them in the rankings are better. Not making a snipe at you, just asking. I have watched them play and they are very good at the QB and wide reciever positions and their defense is very athletic.

Again, tradition has very little to do with the quality of this years team. While it is some indication of the future, I think there is a case to be made that the UC program has turned to football over basketball. Even if Kelly leaves, IMO the position is an excellent opportunity for a young up and coming coach. As long as they make the right choice for a replacement, they wil continue to be good.

 

[Mike80]

How are they over rated? While I 100% agree that they would loose to OSU by a few TD's, I am not sure that many teams behind them in the rankings are better. Not making a snipe at you, just asking. I have watched them play and they are very good at the QB and wide reciever positions and their defense is very athletic.

Fresno isn't that good. That's perversely part of the reason why Boise State is overrated too.

We are going to find that Oregon State just isn't that good and while it's tough for a mid-level BCS team to travel to the West Coast early in the season, Cincy very easily could have lose that game.

Again, tradition has very little to do with the quality of this years team. While it is some indication of the future, I think there is a case to be made that the UC program has turned to football over basketball. Even if Kelly leaves, IMO the position is an excellent opportunity for a young up and coming coach. As long as they make the right choice for a replacement, they wil continue to be good.

Cincy's ceiling is about where Pitt is right now. They will probably flirt with 7 or 8 wins, lose some games they shouldn't and win a game or two every year they shouldn't.

In other words, they will peak at about where Minnesota peaked under glen Mason.

 

[Folanator]

Cincy's ceiling is about where Pitt is right now. They will probably flirt with 7 or 8 wins, lose some games they shouldn't and win a game or two every year they shouldn't.

In other words, they will peak at about where Minnesota peaked under glen Mason.

I don't dissagree. 7-8 wins with the occational season of 9-10 wins and a good bowl game is about right.

But for a program with only 50,000 seats to fill, I think the UC admin and alumni are fine with that.

Pitt is a very good example of a team on par with UC. But considering where they were 10 years ago??? Not bad. :)

 

[buckeyesin07]

How are they over rated? While I 100% agree that they would loose to OSU by a few TD's, I am not sure that many teams behind them in the rankings are better. Not making a snipe at you, just asking. I have watched them play and they are very good at the QB and wide reciever positions and their defense is very athletic.

OK, I'll bite. Here are the teams currently ranked below UC in the Coaches' poll that I think would beat the Bearcats head-to-head:

LSU (and the game wouldn't be close)
Miami
Iowa
Penn State (and the game wouldn't be close)
Oklahoma State
Oregon (and the game wouldn't be close)
Oklahoma (and the game wouldn't be close)
Nebraska
Georgia Tech
Missouri
Notre Dame

 

[cincibuck]

and what does the results THIS YEAR have to do with LAST YEAR'S Virginia Tech team??

And who in the Big 10 other than OSU and PSU would not have had their hands full with Va Tech last year?

Va Tech - yes probably.

Miami, only during the 2000, 2001 and 2002 seasons and maybe this year. Other than that they have been pretty mediocre at best.

BC? they had exactly 2 good seasons this decade.

Again, wake up to the fact that there's a lot of good football outside the Big 10. I'm not a Big East/UC fan, but aside from the big 3 and Iowa the rest of the Big 10 teams have been mediocre. BC would have held their own over the last ten years with Wisky, Minnie, Ill, MSU, NU, IU, Purdue

Or perhaps the value of defense of Ohio State will still carry the Buckeyes over Cincinnati with a convincing win against Purdidn't. Usually if both teams PLAY and WIN they usually don't flip flop too often mid-season.

UC is over-rated. Eventually they are going to experience issues related to a lack of depth on the team.

I don't dispute that. I believe they're overrated too. BUT if they don't get beat tonight or down the road they stand a reasonable chance of being rated above the Buckeyes. Is that fair or accurate? Nope, but it is the reality of the poll system. Same same Boise State. A bowl upset over Okie and one win over Oregon and suddenly they belong in the NCG conversation. It's BS but it's the reality of the poll system.

Doubtful. By the way, not sure what you mean when you say "ahead of OSU in the polls again" -- UC has never been ahead of OSU in the USA Today poll this year.

At least one of the polls had UC in front of OSU last week. The win over Wisconsin and UC having a bye led to that being reversed this week.

While Ntre Ame has a complete horse's ass for a coach, at least Ntre Ame has some football tradition and an actual PROGRAM.

And that's what makes them dangerous to OSU and the Big 10s best interests because if the media, especially the Chicago and East Coast media, can jump to ND they will. Just look at the push going on to make the pickle a Heisman candidate.

 

[cincibuck]

The Big Ten played Texas, USC, Georgia, South Carolina, Florida State, Kansas and Missouri.

The Big East played Va Tech, Memphis, North Carolina, NC State, Oregon State (a 3-0 win over Pitt, by the way), and Buffalo.

Ummm.... not a close comparison. I'll grant Cincinnati that they could compete with Iowa and Wisconsin this year for the top half of the Big Ten, but they've got a long way to go before they can start talking about the Buckeyes.

No real dispute here, but what Joe Pollvoter looks at is Ws and Ls, not who plays whom. To most of them all the bowl games, except the NCG, are relatively equal.

 

[Folanator]

OK, I'll bite. Here are the teams currently ranked below UC in the Coaches' poll that I think would beat the Bearcats head-to-head:

LSU (and the game wouldn't be close)
Miami
Iowa
Penn State (and the game wouldn't be close)
Oklahoma State
Oregon (and the game wouldn't be close)
Oklahoma (and the game wouldn't be close)
Nebraska
Georgia Tech
Missouri
Notre Dame

LSU - agree
Penn State - UC wins IMO
Oregon - maybe, but I think it might be closer than you think
Oklahoma - I tend to agree, but I have not seen Okla play a good game yet. They were very overrated.


The rest is a coin flip. So I think top 15 for sure. But again, that is darn acceptable for the UC program.

 

[FCollinsBuckeye]

What the hell is a 'bearcat' anyway?

 

[FCollinsBuckeye]

What the hell is a 'bearcat' anyway?

NM - it's a bintourong, duh.

Actually, it looks like it's in the wolverine family...