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Chris Holtmann (ex-tOSU Bball coach, HC at DePaul)



Chris Holtmann has been the head coach for 28 conference/NCAA tournament games throughout his career, and his record is 11-17.
Six of those 17 losses have come against lower-seeded teams.
Four of those losses were in the first round of conference tournaments.
In 11 seasons as a head coach, Holtmann has made it past the second round of the NCAA Tournament exactly once. He's won more than one game in a conference tournament also exactly once. This did not happen in the same season.
 
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Chris Holtmann has been the head coach for 28 conference/NCAA tournament games throughout his career, and his record is 11-17.
Six of those 17 losses have come against lower-seeded teams.
Four of those losses were in the first round of conference tournaments.
In 11 seasons as a head coach, Holtmann has made it past the second round of the NCAA Tournament exactly once. He's won more than one game in a conference tournament also exactly once. This did not happen in the same season.

I like Holtmann and I'm definitely not saying fire him but what I am saying is after doing a little research..... his coaching resume is eerily similar to Eldon Miller
 
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Chris Holtmann has been the head coach for 28 conference/NCAA tournament games throughout his career, and his record is 11-17.
Six of those 17 losses have come against lower-seeded teams.
Four of those losses were in the first round of conference tournaments.
In 11 seasons as a head coach, Holtmann has made it past the second round of the NCAA Tournament exactly once. He's won more than one game in a conference tournament also exactly once. This did not happen in the same season.
Woof. I’ve stated my short-term support but I can’t believe there would be any ardent, die hard supporters of Holtmann. At most maybe a passive, “sure he’ll do” but even then it’s not good enough. The results are poor and it’s a results business.

2023 is big.
 
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Ohio State has played basketball for over 120 years - almost 3,000 games. The Buckeyes have won 61% of those contests.

Holtmann has won 66% of his games at OSU. Stop thinking Matta's brief run of unusual success is the norm. It's not. It never was, and never will be as long as the football program remains a powerhouse.

We're not getting a regular dose of five stars and Elite Eight runs when the program plays second fiddle to football. Those guys will usually go where basketball is king.
 
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Ohio State has played basketball for over 120 years - almost 3,000 games. The Buckeyes have won 61% of those contests.

Holtmann has won 66% of his games at OSU. Stop thinking Matta's brief run of unusual success is the norm. It's not. It never was, and never will be as long as the football program remains a powerhouse.

We're not getting a regular dose of five stars and Elite Eight runs when the program plays second fiddle to football. Those guys will usually go where basketball is king.

That's all fine and dandy.... but it doesn't mean us OSU fans can't expect and hope for more.

I'm watching basketball right now and I see a helleva lot more emotion than I saw on the floor from OSU last night. Just a disappointing stretch and finish.
 
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Ohio State has played basketball for over 120 years - almost 3,000 games. The Buckeyes have won 61% of those contests.

Holtmann has won 66% of his games at OSU. Stop thinking Matta's brief run of unusual success is the norm. It's not. It never was, and never will be as long as the football program remains a powerhouse.

We're not getting a regular dose of five stars and Elite Eight runs when the program plays second fiddle to football. Those guys will usually go where basketball is king.

Yes, basketball will never reach the heights of football here in prestige or importance to the fanfare, but I still don’t think that means we should settle for mediocrity. Historically, Ohio State has had enough resources and a national footprint to consistently field top 10-20 teams, that either win the conference (tourney or reg season) or go on a deep tourney run 1-2 times a decade. Thad was definitely a prolonged period of success (well at least before the last 2-3 years) not seen before but Holtmann is severely underperforming. The roster has been affected by injuries but when Liddell and Branham are honestly your only legit players, I see that as a failure from an evaluation and coaching standpoint.

Holtmann needs at least a sweet sixteen run this year and another solid run next year (elite 8 with a b10 title) to save his job IMO. There are plenty of less equipped colleges that have achieved more with less in this timespan. With all the changes to the game with the importance of the three, NIL, one and done, and the G League unite team, five star recruits don’t necessarily guarantee a national championship. Even being a blue blood doesn’t guarantee that. In fact, look at Baylor and Virginia. They have very modest athletic histories in both sports, especially basketball, and have each won a natty in the past 4 years. There’s no reason why we can’t do something similar.
 
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I like Holtmann. Seems like a good guy. Track record indicates an above average coach. OSU is not paying T10 or T15 basketball coach money, they are paying T25ish, and on the whole that's about what they're getting.

He has had terrible luck at OSU--with this season really taking the cake--but his inability to overcome the bad breaks is partially due to questionable recruiting and roster construction. Not sure how well most coaches could finish out a season missing 3 of their top 5, with other injuries on top of that, but Holtmann built the roster. He continued to hope that Towns would get healthy and that Kyle could stay healthy for critical junctures of a season. He waited on getting more backcourt help until Duane was definitely gone and then didn't have better options than Russell. He probably thought guys like Ahrens, Meechie, and Brown could be adequate rotation players by this point. He and Sueing underestimated the longevity of the impact of Sueing's groin injury. And so on. It's understandable stuff, but at the end of the day Holt made decisions that have forced him into now playing with a roster that is really, really not good outside of two guys.

I say all that but I do think that if Holtmann was an elite coach, he would have figured out a way to get this team playing good enough defense and utilizing the Branham/Liddell combo well enough that we wouldn't have lost 4 of our last 5 when most of those games were not against good teams. The defense is a particular red flag because Holtmann's whole approach and philosophy is predicated on versatility that creates balance and solid play on both ends of the floor. He is not about transition play or high octane offense or prototypical physical domination. So if he can't get back to T30ish defensive efficiencies, then yeah, he is not going to be a super successful coach at this level. For most of his coaching career his teams were good at defense but now have been bad two years in a row, with last season needing some ridiculous offensive showings to carry us. Last season I thought it was a personnel issue but now I am not so sure if something isn't breaking down with how Holtmann is teaching his D. It really seems like the team should have been able to improve in that area this season with player development and the addition of Wheeler... but they haven't.

But in speaking on personnel deficiencies: recruiting seems on an upward trend. However, it may be too little too late and certainly won't continue to be good if Holtmann's season and post-season results don't show any improvement soon. Once your time at a school starts getting seriously questioned, the recruiting is done. We saw that with Thad.

So, essentially, I am at the point where I'd certainly understand if Holtmann gets canned in the next year or so (though I think Gene might have to let him play out his contract to see what the 2022 class could do as sophomores). There absolutely has been a trend of his teams struggling through their conference play and rarely seem to be playing their best basketball when actual achievements are on the line (the BTT run last season the exception but then they lost to a 15 seed in the Dance that matters). However, while I'd be okay with Holtmann getting fired if the results don't improve soon... I'm pretty skeptical that OSU would actually replace him with a better coach. Though, honestly, a good coach with better injury luck would probably give us a pretty tangible upgrade in results, lol. Too bad luck isn't quantifiable.

Anyways, yeah, I am reaching a weird state of still caring a lot while somehow simultaneously indifferent to what Gene decides to do in terms of firing Holt.
 
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That's all fine and dandy.... but it doesn't mean us OSU fans can't expect and hope for more.

I'm watching basketball right now and I see a helleva lot more emotion than I saw on the floor from OSU last night. Just a disappointing stretch and finish.

Want more? Sure. Expect more? Not realistic, for reasons I've already posted.

As for the stretch and last night, the Bucks played 8 guys last night. They were missing their 3rd leading scorer and 2nd leading rebounder (KY), their 4th leading scorer and 3rd leading rebounder (Zed), and the first guard off the bench (Meechie). That's 3 of the top 7 players.

Joey Brunk is now playing 30+ minutes a night and Ahrens has turned into a 29% three point shooter since December. This isn't the same roster who beat Duke, unfortunately, and none of it has anything to do with the coach. He's playing with a limited hand.

How soon we forget last year's run to the BTT title game (without KY) as a 5 seed.
 
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Yes, basketball will never reach the heights of football here in prestige or importance to the fanfare, but I still don’t think that means we should settle for mediocrity.

Winning 20+ games annually is not mediocrity in basketball. Try a few 13-17 seasons on for size and get back to me. That's mediocrity.

Historically, Ohio State has had enough resources and a national footprint to consistently field top 10-20 teams

Basketball recruits care little about resources. They care about the spotlight. Georgia won the football NC, and have been strong for years, and their basketball program is a joke. They went 6-24 this season. Lack of resources? Hardly. Top basketball recruits don't prefer schools where most basketball games are played in a half empty arena and the Spring football game draws 70,000+ people. They want to be center stage, where basketball is king rather than something to do to pass the time until Spring football.

Holtmann needs at least a sweet sixteen run this year and another solid run next year (elite 8 with a b10 title) to save his job IMO.

Expecting to consistently be a top 20 program in both sports is unrealistic and history proves it. It occasionally happens, for a few years, but it's not sustainable long term for reasons I've already stated. Show me the counter-examples, long term.

...look at Baylor and Virginia. They have very modest athletic histories in both sports, especially basketball, and have each won a natty in the past 4 years. There’s no reason why we can’t do something similar.

Won NCs in basketball while not getting close to one in football. One more time, expecting to compete for NCs consistently in both sports is not realistic. Whether or not you like it is irrelevant. One sport always plays second fiddle to the other, and the top recruits go where their sport is king.
 
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I like Holtmann. Seems like a good guy. Track record indicates an above average coach. OSU is not paying T10 or T15 basketball coach money, they are paying T25ish, and on the whole that's about what they're getting.

He has had terrible luck at OSU--with this season really taking the cake--but his inability to overcome the bad breaks is partially due to questionable recruiting and roster construction. Not sure how well most coaches could finish out a season missing 3 of their top 5, with other injuries on top of that, but Holtmann built the roster. He continued to hope that Towns would get healthy and that Kyle could stay healthy for critical junctures of a season. He waited on getting more backcourt help until Duane was definitely gone and then didn't have better options than Russell. He probably thought guys like Ahrens, Meechie, and Brown could be adequate rotation players by this point. He and Sueing underestimated the longevity of the impact of Sueing's groin injury. And so on. It's understandable stuff, but at the end of the day Holt made decisions that have forced him into now playing with a roster that is really, really not good outside of two guys.

I say all that but I do think that if Holtmann was an elite coach, he would have figured out a way to get this team playing good enough defense and utilizing the Branham/Liddell combo well enough that we wouldn't have lost 4 of our last 5 when most of those games were not against good teams. The defense is a particular red flag because Holtmann's whole approach and philosophy is predicated on versatility that creates balance and solid play on both ends of the floor. He is not about transition play or high octane offense or prototypical physical domination. So if he can't get back to T30ish defensive efficiencies, then yeah, he is not going to be a super successful coach at this level. For most of his coaching career his teams were good at defense but now have been bad two years in a row, with last season needing some ridiculous offensive showings to carry us. Last season I thought it was a personnel issue but now I am not so sure if something isn't breaking down with how Holtmann is teaching his D. It really seems like the team should have been able to improve in that area this season with player development and the addition of Wheeler... but they haven't.

But in speaking on personnel deficiencies: recruiting seems on an upward trend. However, it may be too little too late and certainly won't continue to be good if Holtmann's season and post-season results don't show any improvement soon. Once your time at a school starts getting seriously questioned, the recruiting is done. We saw that with Thad.

So, essentially, I am at the point where I'd certainly understand if Holtmann gets canned in the next year or so (though I think Gene might have to let him play out his contract to see what the 2022 class could do as sophomores). There absolutely has been a trend of his teams struggling through their conference play and rarely seem to be playing their best basketball when actual achievements are on the line (the BTT run last season the exception but then they lost to a 15 seed in the Dance that matters). However, while I'd be okay with Holtmann getting fired if the results don't improve soon... I'm pretty skeptical that OSU would actually replace him with a better coach. Though, honestly, a good coach with better injury luck would probably give us a pretty tangible upgrade in results, lol. Too bad luck isn't quantifiable.

Anyways, yeah, I am reaching a weird state of still caring a lot while somehow simultaneously indifferent to what Gene decides to do in terms of firing Holt.
I can’t think of a better summation. Well done. You hit on every major point and I personally don’t take any of it as excuse making, etc. The fact is, he has had very bad luck.

My view of tOSU “getting what they are paying for” and what they should expect to get are right in line as well.

Holt has not shown me anything to prove he’s definitely a good OR bad coach. I guess, in the end however his career post season record has to be the litmus test and quite clearly it has been poor.

Crazy thing is, a sweet 16 run this year would partially change that and a better run of luck the next two years and the incoming class living up to potential would do wonders for his reputation.

Dude has a LOT hanging in the balance and has had a career full of data that can tell whatever story you want to spin. He has won coach of the year awards for 3 different conferences and clearly has shown the ability to coach up some mediocre rosters very well. He’s notched some impressive wins against far superior rosters and exceeded many pre-season predictions. In that regard he has become his own worst enemy. He’s won enough with marginal talent that people expect the trend line to just keep going up and that’s perhaps unreasonable.

This is the highest level he has coached and the stakes are the highest now. He’s like the guy who barely made it to the final table in a poker tourney. He’s short stacked against the field but he’s still got a shot.
 
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Talk about being dead on....... and then the 20 win prediction of death. Geez, tough end to the season. What looked like a salvaged season and a possible 4 seed and double bye in the B1G Tourney and a possible 4-5 seed in the NCAA Tournament turned into a 6 seed in B1G Tourney, a 2nd rd loss and a most probable 7-8 seed and early exit in the NCAA Tournament. Hello Spring Football.

We can all blame injuries, but continously allowing the switches, the 7th grade pick and pops, and allowing Russell to get taken to the hole play after play without making any adjustments is on the coaching staff.

damnit, if you are without key pieces, drop in a zone...... do something different. Make them shoot out of it. Don't continue to just let them bully-ball you the last 15 minutes of the game.
And don’t make excuses about how tough it is to win in the Big Ten or point out how other teams also lost on their Senior Night.
 
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That’s why I said if Smith feels the school can do better and makes a change I’d go with him. Otherwise why have an AD.
We have an AD?

Gene Smith cost the Ohio State football team a national championship in 2012 and should’ve been fired then. What sucks is that I think in roughly a year from now we should be looking for a new basketball coach and I don’t trust Gene to make the right choice. I don’t trust him to even make the choice to replace the basketball coach if the next season goes the way this one has.
 
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