Chris Holtmann (ex-tOSU Bball coach, HC at DePaul)

[Mike80]

What concerns are you talking about? I gave a clearly reasoned opinion and stated so explicitly.

And we weren’t all but eliminated from the B1G reg season title after Thursday’s game, which is the expectation I delineated in my opinion. Besides, when does it matter when I say it? If Day starts out 0-6 next season and wins game 7, would it invalidate an opinion that says he’s not met expectations bc he won that game?

Suffice to say you just pointed out a HUGE difference between the football program and the basketball program.

In the basketball program, they want to be competitive in the Big Ten title race and a tournament team.

In the football program, they are expected to WIN the Big Ten title and play in the playoffs.

I don't know what is so hard about this that you can't understand. And my point is this bullshit ONLY gets brought up when the team loses. Why? Because it does.

 

[jakenick06]

Suffice to say you just pointed out a HUGE difference between the football program and the basketball program.

In the basketball program, they want to be competitive in the Big Ten title race and a tournament team.

In the football program, they are expected to WIN the Big Ten title and play in the playoffs.

I don't know what is so hard about this that you can't understand. And my point is this bullshit ONLY gets brought up when the team loses. Why? Because it does.

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[Mike80]

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[Don Muenz]

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Hokay, we got dos “k’s.” Killer kelly?

 

[Onebuckfan]

Holtman is a nice coach with a nice program kind of like Gundy and Okie State in CF.

 

[LordJeffBuck]

Some interesting facts regarding Holtmann....

 

[OHSportsFan]

He’s gotta upgrade talent, point blank. I believe that is happening next year (though, Branham’s looming decision may be a set back).

He’s a good coach, represents the university and program well and generally the guys play tough as nails. He needs a star guard because the plug and play guys so far just aren’t enough to make the Buckeyes a top-end team.

Next year is big in my eyes.

 

[brodybuck21]

He’s gotta upgrade talent, point blank. I believe that is happening next year (though, Branham’s looming decision may be a set back).

He’s a good coach, represents the university and program well and generally the guys play tough as nails. He needs a star guard because the plug and play guys so far just aren’t enough to make the Buckeyes a top-end team.

Next year is big in my eyes.

It's also where losing carton like we did was such a huge blow. You expect 1-2 years and you get 10 games

 

[mendensa]

I think I pegged them as a 19 win team this year. I really didn't like the supporting cast around Liddell, and the injury outlook with Sueing and Towns coming into the season. With the overall strength of the B1G, thought making the tournament was going to be a tall order. I think they are obviously going to hit the 20 win mark now looking at what they have left and the potential for a few more wins, but another early NCAA exit is inevitable. Without the recent emergence of Branham, I don't believe they would have gotten to 20 this year bc they have too many role players that are liabilities if left on the floor for too long and not enough bucket getters.

There were stretches this year where I felt they moved the ball really well and different guys were hitting big shots. They have fallen victim to the B1G style and the way these games have been played late in the season and are back to settling for a lot of contested, one on one shots, especially late in games. The ball sticks when Liddell touches the ball. He hits some, but when he is off, the team REALLY struggles. They get no defensive movement and no easy offensive put-back opportunities bc they are so easy to defend. If the refs don't allow Liddell and Key to pound away down low, and if they don't shoot nearly 50% from the floor, they are losing in close games. Malaki has been amazing off the dribble, getting to the basket, or pulling up for the mid-range, but they don't get anything easy. I watch a lot of college hoops and their supporting cast just doesn't match up with a lot of the other top 25 teams. It's like Mike80 said above, I think this is just what OSU basketball is. Enjoy the 20-22 wins, 6-7 seed in the bracket,........and in most years, an early exit. Until there is an upgrade in overall roster talent, this is what OSU is right now and has been for a while. Hoping I am wrong. Go Bucks!!!

 

[DZ83CK]

I don't buy the school "pecking order" argument at all. That's so lazy, and excuses a coach for never winning anything ever. Beilein had UM positioned for a handful of deep tourney runs because he knew exactly how to build a contender at a "football school" - he even practically built that B1G title team last season. Beilein lost guys just as often as CH has, he just knew how to recruit a lot better and didn't let himself get caught off guard by guys departing "early".

 

[jakenick06]

I don't buy the school "pecking order" argument at all. That's so lazy, and excuses a coach for never winning anything ever. Beilein had UM positioned for a handful of deep tourney runs because he knew exactly how to build a contender at a "football school" - he even practically built that B1G title team last season. Beilein lost guys just as often as CH has, he just knew how to recruit a lot better and didn't let himself get caught off guard by guys departing "early".

Really loose interpretation of “football school”

 

[buckeyeintn]

Really loose interpretation of “football school”

Listed in the dictionary under "Wannabee".

 

[jwinslow]

I don't buy the school "pecking order" argument at all. That's so lazy, and excuses a coach for never winning anything ever.

it being an invalid excuse for a top university does not make it untrue. OSU just isn't that into basketball, even when they punched way above their level to recruit and play in the realm of a blue blood for a long while.

Beilein had UM positioned for a handful of deep tourney runs

a botched surgery down south did as much to close that gap as John's excellent coaching.

because he knew exactly how to build a contender at a "football school" - he even practically built that B1G title team last season. Beilein lost guys just as often as CH has, he just knew how to recruit a lot better and didn't let himself get caught off guard by guys departing "early".

very good coach. As for his results:

He won the league twice, like what usually happens there most decades when they aren't decimated by a cheating scandal.

 

[DZ83CK]

it being an invalid excuse for a top university does not make it untrue. OSU just isn't that into basketball, even when they punched way above their level to recruit and play in the realm of a blue blood for a long while.
a botched surgery down south did as much to close that gap as John's excellent coaching.
very good coach. As for his results:

He won the league twice, like what usually happens there most decades when they aren't decimated by a cheating scandal.

March is what really moves the meter in college basketball. B1G titles matter, and Beilein had 2 BTT titles also you ignored, but the better measure is two Final Fours and an Elite 8, plus two more Sweet 16s in 12 years. This is even after taking over a moribund program. UM historically absolutely does not make 5 Sweet 16s in 12 years on average. OSU hasn't made the Sweet 16 at all the last 9 years. Plus, Beilein gets partial credit for last season as he landed a significant amount of their leading players, including the star Wagner. He had some down years, which happen when you're doing it right and striving for peaks and not just trying to maintain "good" performance. Beilein absolutely disproves the "football school" baloney.

 

[BuckeyeNation27]

So is the fire Holtman squad willing to give up 4th/5th place in the B1G to potentially be 10th/11th because you fired a pretty darn good coach in search of some unattainable Duke/Kansas/Kentucky goal?