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Children out of Wedlock

Bucky Katt;1466552; said:
Bottom line for my story. The parents being together, in and of itself, doesn't make a child healthy or happy. Shotgun weddings are no panacea for what ails us.
I once knew an Irishman who did not drink. :p
Bucky Katt;1466552; said:
Accountability for mistakes and learning to live with consequences would go along way toward making this nation stronger.
Yes, but some people live in conditions that as a result of their education, financial and cultural and societal upbringing are not capable of being accountable. I hesitate to say that they are damn near worthless to society (every person has value), but they certainly do not possess the tools to achieve accountability, and we know that going in to the extent you can take it to the bank - statistically.
 
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Gatorubet;1466703; said:
I once knew an Irishman who did not drink. :p

Bullshit.

Yes, but some people live in conditions that as a result of their education, financial and cultural and societal upbringing are not capable of being accountable. I hesitate to say that they are damn near worthless to society (every person has value), but they certainly do not possess the tools to achieve accountability, and we know that going in to the extent you can take it to the bank - statistically.

Oh, certainly there are. My stance on social programs has always been that paying for those who can (but won't) help themselves is the price we pay to make that we take of those who are incapable. Who knows that the actual % of each is. I'm sure some will say 90% on [insert social program] are capable of living assistance-free, while others will say 90% aren't capable. But that's almost an incalculable figure, so it's moot. Eh, this paragraph would probably be better suited for the poli-forum anyways.

BTW, my sister-in-law is capable. She's just really, really, really, really, really, really lazy. :tic:
 
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Taosman;1466651; said:
Your still not getting it, even now. :shake:

But, do you think we should "get off the fence" with Pro Life"? Support (financially)new mothers and their babies(plural)?
No! A woman mave have the choice to have sex and even opt to have a child but we are under no obligation to support them morally or financially and should not be. If they want to create their circumstances then they should be responsible for paying for the child rearing.
As a nation we might consider the fact that study after study for decades has shown that children progress best under the family of a mom and dad. We need to think of what's best for the child don't we?
 
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I look at it as more of symptom and less of a cause in regards to what ails America. (Not to say that it doesn't also cause a slew of new issues, it most certainly does.) If people took more responsibility for their actions, the legitimacy of the child would not be of concern to me.

Anecdote time! :p

I have two nieces and a nephew, all 4+ years old, all illegitimate. (Can I still call them illegitimate? No? What about little bastards?) The twins live with their unmarried mother and father while the parents of the other niece have shared custody. Theoretically, the twins would be better off because they have both parents, the living expenses are shared.....while the other niece would have it tougher, because there are two residences to maintain, her time with each parent is lessened......blah, blah.....

However, that isn't the case here. The twins live in filth and poverty. They are still in diapers. Even with 4 adults living in a fairly inexpensive apartment, her sister STILL calls my wife for money. That's not to imply that the other niece doesn't have issues, too....but in the grand scheme of things....she has it better than most.

Bottom line for my story. The parents being together, in and of itself, doesn't make a child healthy or happy. Shotgun weddings are no panacea for what ails us.

Accountability for mistakes and learning to live with consequences would go along way towards making this nation stronger.
no doubt. i was merely "shocked" that 2 of 5 kids today are born out of wedlock. just caught me a tad by surprise i guess. granted id never really mulled it over or thought about it.
 
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We had a pregnancy scare a couple of weeks ago (not married yet) and neither of us are in any real hurry to have children at this point. It ended up being a false alarm, but that was a road/decision I wasn't looking forward to going down/making...
 
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BucyrusBuckeye;1466807; said:
No! A woman mave have the choice to have sex and even opt to have a child but we are under no obligation to support them morally or financially and should not be. If they want to create their circumstances then they should be responsible for paying for the child rearing.

So morally we should just go let them starve to death because of their dumb ass mom's drunken one night stand leading to pregnancy?

Interesting. I disagree.

And I guess that should be 999 Points of Light. :p
 
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NFBuck;1466818; said:
We had a pregnancy scare a couple of weeks ago (not married yet) and neither of us are in any real hurry to have children at this point. It ended up being a false alarm, but that was a road/decision I wasn't looking forward to going down/making...
Imagine dealing with that at 20. Sucked.
 
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NFBuck;1466818; said:
We had a pregnancy scare a couple of weeks ago (not married yet) and neither of us are in any real hurry to have children at this point. It ended up being a false alarm, but that was a road/decision I wasn't looking forward to going down/making...
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Put a lid on it...
 
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