Charlie Weis (ex-Kansas HC, ex-Fla OC, Notre Dame legend, UnDecided Schematic Advantage)

[matcar]

I watched some of the ND-Purdue game, and Sharley looked better than Clausen has all year.

I think the above is right; promises were made to Jesus Clausen. I also think that Charlie's monstrous ego is also at play--the inability to admit having made a mistake with Clausen and the blind belief that his "decided schematic advantage" is ultimately more important than who takes the snaps.

You know, as much as we like to beat on Fat Chucky, I really don't think he believes in the schematic advantage anymore. He believed that going in, but I think he has learned that there is a reason college coaches and teams prepare and play the way they do.

Now, the problem is that he's discovered that he's got no real advantage and he's squirming and he's trying everything and finding out that he doesn't really understand this world very well.

 

[Bleed S & G]

You know, as much as we like to beat on Fat Chucky, I really don't think he believes in the schematic advantage anymore.

Uhh, you think?

 

[lvbuckeye]

You know, as much as we like to beat on Fat Chucky, I really don't think he believes in the schematic advantage anymore.

sure he does. it's just that Ty Willingham didn't leave Augustus Gloop any players that could execute that schematic advantage.

 

[Bucklion]

I watched some of the ND-Purdue game, and Sharley looked better than Clausen has all year.

I think the above is right; promises were made to Jesus Clausen. I also think that Charlie's monstrous ego is also at play--the inability to admit having made a mistake with Clausen and the blind belief that his "decided schematic advantage" is ultimately more important than who takes the snaps.

True, but I imagine this will all change when Jesus Crist gets there...you know, the next guy that's gonna win 12 Heismans. If Jimmy doesn't have it rolling by then, it's back to the boy band, because the new Jesus will take over.

 

[OCBucksFan]

You know, as much as we like to beat on Fat Chucky, I really don't think he believes in the schematic advantage anymore. He believed that going in, but I think he has learned that there is a reason college coaches and teams prepare and play the way they do.

I disagree. Whenever there's a post game conference the mistakes are the players, "They played poorly in the first half" but when second half points come "we did well in the second half." I think his ego is still well in charge, he's just assuming it's a talent problem.

Granted they have looked better over the past couple weeks, but as I have said, it's not hard to look better when you have hit rock bottom.

Now, the problem is that he's discovered that he's got no real advantage and he's squirming and he's trying everything and finding out that he doesn't really understand this world very well.

Just from the perspective of a person that watches football it doesn't look like his players are buying what he's selling. And less success tends to keep things that way, the players aren't excited to go out and play, they just don't look like they are giving 100% effort. I would love to hear his speeches to his players before and after games.

The thing is, being a head coach has so much for than plays drawn out with X's and O's. He was a coordinator before, where it's all technical, now he has to motivate and get his players past losses, keep them from focusing on the negative. Instead, he makes comments like "everyone will be trying out for their positions over again", not absorbing the blame on himself, instead he chose to publicly punish the players. I don't think these kids have fragile egos, I mean they aren't ten-year-olds, but you keep beating someones self-esteem and it's hard to to dwell on negativity. The players who are putting effort in are doing so they don't have to deal with another week of crap.

They got 3 more games before I see them getting a real chance to win, if they lose to Navy I foresee a sea of NoD fan tears running through the streets of the US. Then again, Navy players might just choke under the pressure of ending one of the largest streaks in college football.

 

[matcar]

I disagree. Whenever there's a post game conference the mistakes are the players, "They played poorly in the first half" but when second half points come "we did well in the second half." I think his ego is still well in charge, he's just assuming it's a talent problem.

Granted they have looked better over the past couple weeks, but as I have said, it's not hard to look better when you have hit rock bottom.



Just from the perspective of a person that watches football it doesn't look like his players are buying what he's selling. And less success tends to keep things that way, the players aren't excited to go out and play, they just don't look like they are giving 100% effort. I would love to hear his speeches to his players before and after games.

The thing is, being a head coach has so much for than plays drawn out with X's and O's. He was a coordinator before, where it's all technical, now he has to motivate and get his players past losses, keep them from focusing on the negative. Instead, he makes comments like "everyone will be trying out for their positions over again", not absorbing the blame on himself, instead he chose to publicly punish the players. I don't think these kids have fragile egos, I mean they aren't ten-year-olds, but you keep beating someones self-esteem and it's hard to to dwell on negativity. The players who are putting effort in are doing so they don't have to deal with another week of crap.

They got 3 more games before I see them getting a real chance to win, if they lose to Navy I foresee a sea of NoD fan tears running through the streets of the US. Then again, Navy players might just choke under the pressure of ending one of the largest streaks in college football.

Yeah, he's blaming his players, you are correct. But Charlie isn't an idiot. He's just an egomaniac....which is why he blames others and shields himself from external criticism.

I'm sure he realizes exactly what you've said, that a head coach isn't an X's and O's thing like being a coordinator can sometimes be. That's something he probably "knew" before, but discounted. Now, he's been confronted with it and the marshalling of upwards of 100 resources and the growth of those same resources while scouting even younger, more volatile resources is a lot to absorb. I'd venture to guess that he's realized that there's no schematic advantage to be had and he's going to have to use his brilliance in other ways.

 

[Fungo Squiggly]

sure he does. it's just that Ty Willingham didn't leave Augustus Gloop any players that could execute that schematic advantage.

"Augustus, you are already vinning by 40, save some schematic advantage for later!"

Damn. I just can't find a picture of her. It would've added so much more.

 

[Steve19]

Yeah, he's blaming his players, you are correct. But Charlie isn't an idiot. He's just an egomaniac....which is why he blames others and shields himself from external criticism.

I'm sure he realizes exactly what you've said, that a head coach isn't an X's and O's thing like being a coordinator can sometimes be. That's something he probably "knew" before, but discounted. Now, he's been confronted with it and the marshalling of upwards of 100 resources and the growth of those same resources while scouting even younger, more volatile resources is a lot to absorb. I'd venture to guess that he's realized that there's no schematic advantage to be had and he's going to have to use his brilliance in other ways.

There is another explanation for his behavior.

There's a lot research into toxic executives in management research. Seems that these guys are ego-maniacs who take credit for anything good that happens and blame the underlings for anything that goes wrong.

When researchers try to get into their heads, what they find is that these guys think that things go right because the underlings followed orders.

When things don't go right, it's because underlings just didn't do what they were told to do. Doesn't matter if what they were told to do was impossible. Doesn't matter if they did exactly what they were told to do. They always find some way to find a discrepancy between what underlings did and what they said (or should have been understood to have said, if they didn't actually say it).

From what I know about him, Charlie seems to be the poster-child for toxic executive.

 

[lvbuckeye]

Crucial?

When was the last time Notre Dame had a situation even bordering on "Crucial?"

I mean... I guess the games start 0-0...

crucial as in he lead them to two TDs and got them within seven points... but then the D (or lack thereof) predictably let them down...

 

[sandgk]

Chicago Daily Southern - Tim Cronin

Pass formation: Illini going up, Irish in reverse
Funny how plans can go haywire, and perceptions can be skewed. Two years ago, Charlie Weis was the toast of Notre Dame. Alumni, subway and legitimate, hailed Weis as the latest in a line of saviors of the Fighting Irish football program. Weis, there was no doubt, would right a program that had been listing in the final year under Tyrone Willingham - the replacement for George O'Leary, and himself considered the Right Man For The Job when, via a series of improbable breaks and bounces, his first Irish team won its first eight games.
Then Willingham's teams came back to earth. After 30 games, Willingham had an 18-12 record.
Weis' team rolled up nine wins in his first season, including an early bashing of Michigan, and 10 more wins last season. The only complaint was an inability to beat Southern California or break the losing streak in bowls that goes back to, oh, the Age of Enlightenment. Now, Weis' third team is heralding a return to the Dark Ages. After 30 games, Weis has a 19-11 record.
Willingham's team won his 31st game at Notre Dame. Weis' third squad has to beat UCLA on Saturday night at the Rose Bowl, where the Irish haven't ventured since the Four Horsemen were in the backfield, to stay even with Willingham's record.
That was not the plan.

October 5, 2007

 

[Steve19]

Chicago Daily Southern - Tim Cronin




October 5, 2007

LOL!!! Cronin is definitely wrong. That was the plan. Somewhere, way beyond the comprehension of mortals like us, Charlie Weis has a plan and these losses, they are an integral part of that plan.

 

[Dryden]

LOL!!! Cronin is definitely wrong. That was the plan. Somewhere, way beyond the comprehension of mortals like us, Charlie Weis has a plan and these losses, they are an integral part of that plan.

Considering the deal Charlie got for losing to USC, he's probably just working on an extension.

 

[Zurp]

Chicago Daily Southern - Tim Cronin
October 5, 2007

I'm not a calculator, but I'm pretty sure that a real calculator would agree with me.

First, I'll assume these comments are correct:

After 30 games, Willingham had an 18-12 record.

After 30 games, Weis has a 19-11 record.

Willingham's team won his 31st game at Notre Dame.

By my calculations, that makes Willingham 19-12 in those 31 games.

Weis' third squad has to beat UCLA on Saturday night ... to stay even with Willingham's record.

If Weis wins this game, that would put him to 20-11. Willingham was 19-12. How is that even?

 

[DaddyBigBucks]

I'm not a calculator, but I'm pretty sure that a real calculator would agree with me.

First, I'll assume these comments are correct:

By my calculations, that makes Willingham 19-12 in those 31 games.

If Weis wins this game, that would put him to 20-11. Willingham was 19-12. How is that even?

I think your missing the purpose of this thread.

 

[BuckTwenty]

Karma.