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Charlie Weis (ex-Kansas HC, ex-Fla OC, Notre Dame legend, UnDecided Schematic Advantage)

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Buckeyeskickbuttocks;927661; said:
Just heard on 1460, Pat Forde being interviewed... that of all the points scored by ND during his tenure, a total of 19 have been scored by players he recruited. That's 19 out of about 850 points.
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Yeah, but they were 19 of the most genius-inspired points in the history of college football.
 
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NFBuck;927504; said:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't 2007 the year all the domers were pointing at for Weis to have his own players to make up for Willlinghams pitiful recruiting.
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Isn't this just Weis's third year? If so, that excuse would be valid until 2009. Well, maybe "valid" isn't quite the right word...
 
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Buckeyeskickbuttocks;927661; said:
Just heard on 1460, Pat Forde being interviewed... that of all the points scored by ND during his tenure, a total of 19 have been scored by players he recruited. That's 19 out of about 850 points.
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So 19 points based on talent, 831 points based on schematic/gameplanning advantage. Just imagine when he overcomes Ty's recruitng.
 
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The thing is, Charlie's offensive recruiting has (supposedly) been stellar thus far, and offensive playmakers can often contribute sooner (at least in certain roles) than their defensive counterparts. That 05 class has had more than enough time to break out, imo.

Look at OSU's impact players just from the 05 class:
Offense: Wells, Robiskie*, Hartline (starter), Boone*, Cordle*
Defense: Jenkins*, Washington*, Laurinaitis*, Russell*, Amos, Worthington*, Denlinger*, Wilson*, O'Neal* (former)

That doesn't include impact youngsters like Beanie*, Saine, Sanzenbacher, Small, Ballard, Rose*, Grant*, Chekwa, Coleman*, etc.

* - Starter

***JT's 05-07 recruiting classes have scored 147 pts (vs 19 for the Genius). JT's 05-07 recruits have scored 36 points this season.

Note, that does not include the 60 XP & 9 FGs from those recruiting classes.
 
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jwinslow;927935; said:
The thing is, Charlie's offensive recruiting has (supposedly) been stellar thus far, and offensive playmakers can often contribute sooner (at least in certain roles) than their defensive counterparts. That 05 class has had more than enough time to break out, imo.

Look at OSU's impact players just from the 05 class:
Offense: Wells, Robiskie*, Hartline (starter), Boone*, Cordle*
Defense: Jenkins*, Washington*, Laurinaitis*, Russell*, Amos, Worthington*, Denlinger*, Wilson*, O'Neal* (former)

That doesn't include impact youngsters like Beanie, Saine, Sanzenbacher, Small, Ballard, Rose, Grant, Chekwa, Coleman, etc.

***JT's 05-07 recruiting classes have scored 147 pts (vs 19 for the Genius). JT's 05-07 recruits have scored 36 points this season.

Note, that does not include the 60 XP & 9 FGs from those recruiting classes.
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What is this, LOGIC? LOGIC? How dare you bring logic into a Charlie Weiss thread.
With 6 days to prepare, scUM is certainly going to be toast this Saturday.
 
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From the SC board:
pcarl13 said:
How many OL did Charlie chase off in his first year there? I remember seeing a post that had a list of all the transfers since he came on board. If someone has those numbers, I would be extremely interested in finding out about them. I think I remember something like 7-8 transfers or de-commits, but could be mistaken. Also, any other players that transferred around that time would be good.

IMO, at least a few of those that were chased off by Chuckie would have panned out decently. All you hear from ND fans nowadays is that Charlie was left with only 11 o-lineman and that's why he can't get it done.

I know of numerous BCS schools that are starting 2-star lineman on their roster. Just off the top of my head, I know UCLA is one. Maybe not the best example, but you get what I'm saying. Would it have been such a bad thing to take those 2 or 3 star lineman for depth?

Matt Spanos was a 3-star (DT?) and would have been starting for the #1 team in the country if not for injuries and grades (last year). Ryan Kalil was a 3-star and was the first C off the board in the NFL draft. Chilo Rachal was a 3-star and starts for the #1 team in the country. Nick Howell was a 3-star as well and probably would have seen the field this year barring injury.

Basically, what I am trying to point out is that Charlie had the opportunity to correct the o-line depth problem that he is having now but instead ran people off that could have been very helpful to the program.

What do you guys think?
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fantasmavigilante said:
Zack Giles Center former starter transfer
Chauncey Incarnato RT transfer
John Kadous OT quit team
Joey Hiben TE/OG quit team
Raridon OT quit team
Bonelli OG quit team
James Bent OG quit team
Defenders that might have crossed over like Matua:
Ronald Talley DE former starter transfer
Nate Schiccatano DE transfer
Brandon Nicholas DT transfer
Travis Leitko DE academic casualty
Jamie Ryan DT medical redshirt

Incarnato *** (58) OT gone
Nicolas *** (37) DT/OG gone
Kadous *** (85) OT gone
Talley *** (64) DE gone
Raridon *** (87) OT gone
Bonelli **** (26) OG gone
Hiben **** (14) TE/OG gone
Ryan **** (18) DT gone
Leitko **** (11) DE gone
Speaking of transfers, Notre Dame accepted the transfer of Bermenderfer from Northwestern who walked-on and was just awarded a scholarship in fall camp; he is the number two Irish center.
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Charlie may have scored most of his point using Ty's recruits, but take a look at the offensive production before and after Weis showed up, its like night and day. There was more of a running game under Ty, but they didn't get the ball into the endzone aside from field goals. This year the offensive experience is zilch and the O-line isn't up to speed yet, if it ever was.
Defesively, the team was a little better under Ty, but I still remember embarrassing blowouts to USC, Florida State, and some others. This year the defense is doing a better job keeping people out of the endzone and not making mental mistakes, but they're on the field a lot more and get winded by the 3rd and 4th quarter since the offense isn't producing. If the O-line comes together and the offense produces, I think they can win some games. The skill positions on the offense have young, but talented recruits, they just need the O-line and some experience.
 
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I watched their first two games and I felt that they have a lack of talent on that offensive line......the offense has scored 3 points in two games and the field goal was set-up by a long punt return.....so I don't even give the offense credit for that.....they have some issues.
 
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Yeah, the O-line has to get better. Currently its filled with only two guys with any real experience, the 5th year senior Sullivan at Center and the big Sophomore RT Young, both weren't very convincing at Penn State. I didn't catch all of GT.
 
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Ruh-roh! Charlie Cheater?

It looks like the story of the Pats cheating is about to grow much more serious as a pattern of cheating over many years is revealed. Notre Dame fans have reason to be concerned: it involves their coach Charlie Weis.

The story of videotaped defensive call signals is growing to stories about interference with headphone transmissions from the sideline and other types of cheating (click this link). Notre Dame fans might be very interested to find that Charlie the Humanitarian appears to be Charlie the Cheater.

Is this why his alleged offensive genius appears to have disappeared?

Marinelli was the defensive line coach in Tampa Bay when the Bucs beat the Patriots in the 2000 regular season opener and did a good job controlling New England's offense. After the game the Patriots' offensive coach, Charlie Weis, was overheard congratulating the Bucs' defensive coordinator, Monte Kiffin.

"We knew all your calls, and you still stopped us," Weis said. "I can't believe it."

He couldn't believe it because the Patriots had videotaped all of the defensive signals in their last preseason game, which was against the Bucs.
The stories are all coming out now, but why hadn't all this been reported to the league office before this?

"At the time, you never know for sure," Millen said. "And if you don't know it at the time, then you don't feel right reporting it later."
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Charlie may have scored most of his point using Ty's recruits, but take a look at the offensive production before and after Weis showed up, its like night and day.
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Night and day like the difference between Troy's production his Frosh and Soph years vs his Junior and Senior years? Quinn made all the difference and could arguably have made that same difference under Ty.

Charlie the Humanitarian appears to be Charlie the Cheater.
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Please God let it be true.

(I have been trying to pray all morning that it is true - but the Domers have all the lines tied up.)
 
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