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Charlie Weis (ex-Kansas HC, ex-Fla OC, Notre Dame legend, UnDecided Schematic Advantage)

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osugrad21;926646; said:
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Am I missing the sarcasm here?
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Unfortunately he would be correct in that statement, they do have a history of inquisitions, crusades, "civilizing" native peoples, and denying the holocaust...

that being said, as a fat, white, Catholic, I'll take Ty Willingham as my coach over Jabba the Weis.
 
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GoodLifeSean;926656; said:
Unfortunately he would be correct in that statement, they do have a history of inquisitions, crusades, "civilizing" native peoples, and denying the holocaust...
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I guess if we delve far enough into history, we could likely label every culture and religion the same way, eh?

Damn Spaniards always killing folks in the New World an shit...

Hell, the Indian termination in this country will label an entire array of cultures..

Germans...no explanation needed.

Steve19 is in South Africa...racist pig.

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Good Article on Weis and Willingham on espn.

Domers, Your Credibility Is On The Clock

When Notre Dame (2) trap-doored Tyrone Willingham (3) after just three years on the job in 2004, it established a precedent for the next coach: You've got three years, pal. Have it up and running at full speed or else.

Or at least that should have been the established precedent, if Notre Dame was interested in treating its next coach the same way it treated the first African-American coach in the school's history. But Charlie Weis (4) probably can go 2-10 in this, his third year, and still be back in 2008. Why? The simple answer is fairness -- the majority of coaches should get a fourth season, no matter how the third one turned out. But since fairness didn't factor in with Willingham (6-5 in year three, 21-15 overall), The Dash will offer another reason. Weis (0-2 in year three, 19-8 overall) was awarded a 10-year, $30 million-plus contract during his first season -- something that would make a firing very costly. He got the contract largely on the strength of a close loss to a great USC team and some interest from the NFL -- although Weis said at his introductory news conference in December 2004, "I don't come here to leave and take a job in the NFL in three years. This is not a stepping stone. This is an end-all for our family. When we come to Notre Dame, we come here with the intent of retiring here." So either Notre Dame hysterically overbid to keep an unproven coach who had no intention of going anywhere, or else Weis' loyalty pledge turned weak enough that the school felt compelled to overpay to keep him. Either way, Charlie and the Irish would appear joined at the hip -- even while the Notre Dame of Weis' third season is starting to bear strong resemblance to the Notre Dame of Ty Willingham's intolerable third season. Actually, it's worse. Far worse. That doesn't mean it can't turn around, but the current product is dreadful. Dating back to last season, the Irish have lost four consecutive games by at least 20 points. Last time Notre Dame lost four straight by 20 or more? How does never sound? But then again, they've only been playing football in South Bend since 1887. (One of the big knocks on Willingham, by the way, was too many blowout losses.) It could turn out that the teams that ripped the Irish this year, Georgia Tech (5) and Penn State (6), are the best teams in the ACC and Big Ten, respectively. But that would only continue Weis' trend of beating the bad teams and losing to the good ones. He's 4-6 against ranked opponents (including four straight lopsided losses) and 15-2 against the unranked. Average end-of-season Sagarin rating for the 19 teams Weis has beaten: 62nd. Average end-of-season Sagarin rating for the 21 teams Willingham beat from 2002-04: 55th. The one thing Weis was supposed to deliver was a state-of-the-art offense capable of carving up any defense. He did that -- when Willingham's players were there. The 2007 Irish have not scored an offensive touchdown, even though Weis told his players his first season they would have a "decided schematic advantage" in every game. Some advantage: They've scored 13 points on the season -- fewest through the first two games of the year since 1942. They're last in the nation in rushing offense and total offense.

The easy fall guy for Domers protective of Weis is the same fall guy they pounded in 2003 and '04: Willingham. They'll tell you his lackluster recruiting left the cupboard bare, setting the stage for this difficult season. They like to talk about the rankings of recruiting classes. The Dash likes to talk about productivity. For instance: Of the 856 points Notre Dame has scored with Weis as head coach, 19 of them have been scored by players who originally committed to and signed with him. That includes the defensive touchdown, the extra point and two field goals that constitute this season's scoring. A Weis recruit has scored exactly one offensive touchdown in 27 games: George West (7) on an 11-yard run last season against Purdue, one of three times West touched the ball from scrimmage in 2006. It's true that Weis coached many of Willingham's players better than Willingham ever did. It's also true that Weis owes Willingham a large debt for at least getting the likes of Brady Quinn, Jeff Samardzija and Darius Walker on campus. Meanwhile, Washington (8) is 2-0 in its third season under Willingham, having won by 30 points on the road to open the season and then ending the nation's longest winning streak in a two-touchdown upset of Boise State (9). Willingham is in a place that suits him better than Notre Dame ever did. He might never have won truly big in South Bend, and might never have been truly happy. But the criticism of Willingham was as excessive as the praise (and compensation) accorded Weis. That's the double standard Notre Dame has set in place, and the double standard it must live with.
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ESPN - Forde: Dashing through some credibility checks - Columnist
 
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Before Ty there was Jerry Faust, who was promised, "Just have a winning record, run a clean program and you have a job for as long as you want it."

All of his games were scheduled 10 years out, i.e. before he got there. When scheduled the games with Miami were surely seen as "cup cakes." As were the games with Air force, BYU, Pitt and North Carolina. Faust was better than 500 against USC, Michigan, Michigan State and Purdue, but he got hammered by Miami and Howard Schnellbarger, North Carolina showed up with a defensive player named Lawrence Taylor and Kelvin Bryant at halfback. Air force came up with a killer passing game, Lavelle Edwards was at the peak of his game at BYU and all those "cup cakes" rose up and bit Faust in the ass.

When Faust was hired he was allowed only one choice for an assistant coach, the rest being protected by the school. When Lou Holtz came in he was given a blank check with regard to assistants and the staff that remained under Faust was let go.

As the Faust and Willingham eras show there's more "Just win, Baby!" philosophy at Notre Dame than the school ever puts out for public consumption.
 
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Catholics are notorious racists.



Am I missing the sarcasm here?
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Sarcasm was indeed intended - a carryover from much of the discussion that took place when Ty was originally let go.

<sarcasm>

Catholics are notorious drunkards and womanizers.

But to the best of my knowledge they are no more racist that the average American.

</sarcasm>
 
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http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/columns/story?columnist=forde_pat&id=3013932&sportCat=ncf

Domers, Your Credibility Is On The Clock
When Notre Dame (2) trap-doored Tyrone Willingham (3) after just three years on the job in 2004, it established a precedent for the next coach:
You've got three years, pal. Have it up and running at full speed or else.
Or at least that should have been the established precedent, if Notre Dame was interested in treating its next coach the same way it treated the first African-American coach in the school's history. But Charlie Weis (4) probably can go 2-10 in this, his third year, and still be back in 2008.
Why? The simple answer is fairness -- the majority of coaches should get a fourth season, no matter how the third one turned out. But since fairness didn't factor in with Willingham (6-5 in year three, 21-15 overall), The Dash will offer another reason.
Weis (0-2 in year three, 19-8 overall) was awarded a 10-year, $30 million-plus contract during his first season -- something that would make a firing very costly. He got the contract largely on the strength of a close loss to a great USC team and some interest from the NFL -- although Weis said at his introductory news conference in December 2004, "I don't come here to leave and take a job in the NFL in three years. This is not a stepping stone. This is an end-all for our family. When we come to Notre Dame, we come here with the intent of retiring here."
So either Notre Dame hysterically overbid to keep an unproven coach who had no intention of going anywhere, or else Weis' loyalty pledge turned weak enough that the school felt compelled to overpay to keep him. Either way, Charlie and the Irish would appear joined at the hip -- even while the Notre Dame of Weis' third season is starting to bear strong resemblance to the Notre Dame of Ty Willingham's intolerable third season.
Actually, it's worse. Far worse. That doesn't mean it can't turn around, but the current product is dreadful.
Dating back to last season, the Irish have lost four consecutive games by at least 20 points. Last time Notre Dame lost four straight by 20 or more? How does never sound? But then again, they've only been playing football in South Bend since 1887.
(One of the big knocks on Willingham, by the way, was too many blowout losses.)
It could turn out that the teams that ripped the Irish this year, Georgia Tech (5) and Penn State (6), are the best teams in the ACC and Big Ten, respectively. But that would only continue Weis' trend of beating the bad teams and losing to the good ones. He's 4-6 against ranked opponents (including four straight lopsided losses) and 15-2 against the unranked.
Average end-of-season Sagarin rating for the 19 teams Weis has beaten: 62nd. Average end-of-season Sagarin rating for the 21 teams Willingham beat from 2002-04: 55th.
The one thing Weis was supposed to deliver was a state-of-the-art offense capable of carving up any defense. He did that -- when Willingham's players were there.
The 2007 Irish have not scored an offensive touchdown, even though Weis told his players his first season they would have a "decided schematic advantage" in every game. Some advantage: They've scored 13 points on the season -- fewest through the first two games of the year since 1942. They're last in the nation in rushing offense and total offense.
The easy fall guy for Domers protective of Weis is the same fall guy they pounded in 2003 and '04: Willingham. They'll tell you his lackluster recruiting left the cupboard bare, setting the stage for this difficult season.
They like to talk about the rankings of recruiting classes. The Dash likes to talk about productivity. For instance:
Of the 856 points Notre Dame has scored with Weis as head coach, 19 of them have been scored by players who originally committed to and signed with him. That includes the defensive touchdown, the extra point and two field goals that constitute this season's scoring. A Weis recruit has scored exactly one offensive touchdown in 27 games: George West (7) on an 11-yard run last season against Purdue, one of three times West touched the ball from scrimmage in 2006.
It's true that Weis coached many of Willingham's players better than Willingham ever did. It's also true that Weis owes Willingham a large debt for at least getting the likes of Brady Quinn, Jeff Samardzija and Darius Walker on campus.
Meanwhile, Washington (8) is 2-0 in its third season under Willingham, having won by 30 points on the road to open the season and then ending the nation's longest winning streak in a two-touchdown upset of Boise State (9).
Willingham is in a place that suits him better than Notre Dame ever did. He might never have won truly big in South Bend, and might never have been truly happy.
But the criticism of Willingham was as excessive as the praise (and compensation) accorded Weis. That's the double standard Notre Dame has set in place, and the double standard it must live wit
 
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ORD_Buckeye;926581; said:
Yea, I was banned from there pretty quickly. Of course, my screen name was Raped_By_My_Priest, and my sig photo was"

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So that might have had a little to do with it.:biggrin:
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I missed that. Has to be one of the funniest things I have seen in a long time! :slappy:
 
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osugrad21;926682; said:
I guess if we delve far enough into history, we could likely label every culture and religion the same way, eh?

Damn Spaniards always killing folks in the New World an shit...

Hell, the Indian termination in this country will label an entire array of cultures..

Germans...no explanation needed.

Steve19 is in South Africa...racist pig.

:wink2:
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I'm speechless. I feel so...so...violated! :slappy:
 
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Germans...no explanation needed.
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As someone who has German heritage, I will claim WWI to my lineage, but Don't blame Germany for the short tempered Austrian with the bad Stash :wink:... Sorry if I offended anyone I was just making a statement about the religious sect I belong to, didn't mean anything. Just bein a jerk :)
 
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