justanotherbuck
There isn't enough football in the world today
I think they should follow this with a very emphatic "PLEASE!" It might come down to begging soon......................
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I think they should follow this with a very emphatic "PLEASE!" It might come down to begging soon......................
OSUBasketballJunkie
Never Forget 31-0
I have a better chance at winning the lottery than ever seeing another OSU/ND match-up in the next twenty years.
Why would they schedule us when they get beat BYU.
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smithlabs
Heisman
Damn shame too. One of my favorite memories is watching Ron Powlus crying after loosing to Ohio State. I just decide which year it was better. The first time because he was so surprised he lost or the second time when he knew he could never beat us.bucknuts44820 said:
I guess we know the answer to the SI cover :)
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ysubuck
Be water my friend.
I mean, how do you recruit at notre dame anymore? What exactly is the selling point?
Coach: "Son, we won the national championship in 1988."
Recruit: "Coach, I was one. And you guys have kind of stunk since then haven't you?"
Coach: "Yeah, but that was a great year!"
You guys are going to be the Uncle Rico of the college football world. Maybe you can build a time machine to take you back to 88!!! Wouldn't that be great?
"Why, I remember in 88, Tony Rice could chuck that ball over them mountains!"
Coach: "Son, we won the national championship in 1988."
Recruit: "Coach, I was one. And you guys have kind of stunk since then haven't you?"
Coach: "Yeah, but that was a great year!"
You guys are going to be the Uncle Rico of the college football world. Maybe you can build a time machine to take you back to 88!!! Wouldn't that be great?
"Why, I remember in 88, Tony Rice could chuck that ball over them mountains!"
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justanotherbuck
There isn't enough football in the world today
As a die-hard Browns fan I can say this.............come along my Notre Dame brethern, live with us in the past. The days of yester-year are calling our name, we can bask in the glory of the "once was". :ohwell:
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Here's CBS.Sportsline.com's early look at the 2006 draft.
My comments: Hawk too low at #21, Reggie Bush too low at #9, VY too high at #7, Avant way high at #24.
Scouting 2006 draft: Peeking ahead at next year's Top 32
April 25, 2005
By Pete Prisco
CBS SportsLine.com Senior Writer
It's official. The NFL Draft is the second most-watched sport in the country.
OK, that's pushing it. But did you see the nuts sitting at the draft in New York as the seventh round came to conclusion?
Do something. Go eat a slice of Ray's Pizza. Go to a Broadway show. Run the steps up the Empire State Building. Shop. Take a run in Central Park.
Do anything but sit inside as seventh-round picks get their names called.
The NFL Draft makes for strange scenes and passion that would make a nighttime soap envious.
So even though teams are still signing free agents who weren't drafted as we write this, and fans are still dissecting all of their team's moves, isn't it time to take a first look at the 2006 draft?
We thought so, so we have an early top 32 for the draft junkies out there. It's a preliminary list, one that is bound to change -- except at the very top.
Southern California quarterback Matt Leinart will be the top player taken next spring, save for a serious injury. He would have been the first pick in this draft had he come out.
Aside from Leinart, this board is bound to change as the year rolls along. Some of these players will fall off, while others will emerge.
It's a starting point for all the draft junkies out there. As we found out this past month, their appetites are insatiable.
1. Matt Leinart, QB, Southern California: He would have been the first player picked in this year's draft. Barring an injury, he's the top player next year.
2. D'Brickashaw Ferguson, T, Virginia: He's a huge tackle with great athletic ability. If he had come out this year, he would have been a top 10 pick.
3. DeAngelo Williams, RB, Memphis: An explosive runner with good size and the ability to make people miss. Williams is in the Ronnie Brown-Carnell Williams class.
4. Mathias Kiwanuka, DE, Boston College: We know teams are desperate for pass rushers, which will make this speed rusher a potential top five pick.
5. Rodrique Wright, DT, Texas: A power player inside who has great quickness. Thought about coming out this year, but an ankle injury slowed him 2004. Will be a force this season.
6. Jonathan Scott, T, Texas: At 6-7, 315, he has great athletic ability for a man his size. A left tackle with good feet is invaluable. He's a four-year starter at Texas.
7. Vince Young, QB, Texas (Jr.): This may seem high for him, but he came on strong late last season and has wonderful tools. Won the Rose Bowl MVP with a sensational performance. At 6-5, 230, he has a strong arm and wonderful feet.
8. Eric Winston, T, Miami: He tore ligaments in his knee last season; otherwise he wouldn't be back. Winston is a former tight end who excels in pass protection.
9. Reggie Bush, RB, Southern California (Jr.): Some will say he's too small (6-0, 200) to be an NFL running back. They will be wrong. This kid will get 25 touches a game in the NFL and make defenses tremble every time.
10. Chad Greenway, OLB, Iowa: This former high school quarterback has developed into one of the best defensive players in the country. At 6-4, 239 pounds, he is relentless in his pursuit of the ball.
11. Jimmy Williams, CB, Virginia Tech: At 6-3, 219, he is big corner with good speed. Played safety early in his career at Tech, but make no mistake about it. This is a corner.
12. Marcus McNeil, T, Auburn: A massive left tackle at 6-9, 335 pounds, McNeil has all the tools to be a Pro Bowl player.
13. Ernie Sims, LB, Florida State (Jr.): At 6-0, 220 pounds, he doesn't have the size teams love, but he is a wrecking ball at outside linebacker. This kid is special.
14. Mario Williams, DE, North Carolina State (Jr.): At 6-7, 285 pounds, he has outstanding speed off the edge. Has been a starter since he stepped on campus as a freshman. He could be higher on this list with a great junior season.
15. Charlie Whitehurst, QB, Clemson: The son of former NFL quarterback David Whitehurst, Charlie has a big arm and can make all the throws.
16. Gabe Watson, DT, Michigan: At 6-4, 333 pounds, he has the size teams crave from their inside people. But he's also athletic for a man that size.
17. Mercedes Lewis, TE, UCLA: He's the next great receiving tight end to enter the draft. Lewis will become an 80-catch player for whoever takes him.
18. Darnell Bing, S, Southern California: A rangy safety who brings a big lick when he attacks a runner or receiver. Another Ronnie Lott, another former Trojan?
19. Omar Jacobs, QB, Bowling Green (Jr.): Another quarterback with good size (6-4) and the athletic ability to make people respect his feet. Jacobs really came on strong last season and should move his way into the first round next April.
20. Leon Washington, RB, Florida State: He has outstanding big-play ability and great speed. He's smallish at 5-9, 202, but his explosiveness makes up for it.
21. A.J. Hawk, LB, Ohio State: He's one of those players who seems to be everywhere when you watch him play. At 6-2, 238 pounds, he has the size and speed teams like.
22. Antonio Cromartie, CB, Florida State (Jr.): At 6-3, 200, he's another bigger corner who has all the skills to be a shutdown player on the next level.
23. Ahmad Brooks, LB, Virginia (Jr.): He's a tackling machine for the Cavaliers, but he does have some off-field issues that worry scouts.
24. Jason Avant, WR, Michigan: The next in a long line of Michigan receivers headed to the NFL. He isn't in the same class as Braylon Edwards, but he's close.
25. Martin Nance, WR, Miami of Ohio: He's 6-5, 210 pounds but can run 4.4 in the 40. That adds up to a heck of a player.
26. Mike Degory, C, Florida: He's the best center in the country, a player adept at blocking for the run and the pass.
27. Derek Hagan, WR, Arizona State: At 6-2, he has good size and speed to become a big-play threat. May miss Andrew Walter some this season.
28. Davin Joseph, G-T, Oklahoma: Joseph has been a powerful guard who excels blocking for the run. The Sooners are moving him to left tackle this season, which will help his stock rise.
29. Haloti Ngata, DT, Oregon (Jr.): At 6-5, 345, he has the powerful build to be a run-stuffer on the next level. He also has some quickness to collapse the pocket.
30. Abdul Hodge, LB, Iowa: A South Florida product who has developed into a
tackling machine in the Big Ten. At 6-2, 232, he has outstanding speed to get to the football.
31. Laurence Maroney, RB, Minnesota: Was the Gophers MVP last season even though he shared time with Marion Barber.
32. Michael Huff, FS, Texas: A rangy safety who has started for three years. Huff is a big hitter, but he's good in coverage.
Others to watch: Dallas Sartz, LB/S, Southern California; Kamerian Wimbley, DE, Florida State; Orien Harris, DT, Miami; Greg Eslinger, C, Minnesota; Joseph Addai, RB, LSU; Eric Henderson, DE, Georgia Tech; Pierre Woods, LB, Michigan; Jason Allen, CB, Tennessee; Andrew Whitworth, T, LSU; Max Jean-Gilles, G-T, Georgia; Nate Salley, S, Ohio State; Jarrod Page, S, UCLA.
My comments: Hawk too low at #21, Reggie Bush too low at #9, VY too high at #7, Avant way high at #24.
Scouting 2006 draft: Peeking ahead at next year's Top 32
April 25, 2005
By Pete Prisco
CBS SportsLine.com Senior Writer
It's official. The NFL Draft is the second most-watched sport in the country.
OK, that's pushing it. But did you see the nuts sitting at the draft in New York as the seventh round came to conclusion?
Do something. Go eat a slice of Ray's Pizza. Go to a Broadway show. Run the steps up the Empire State Building. Shop. Take a run in Central Park.
Do anything but sit inside as seventh-round picks get their names called.
The NFL Draft makes for strange scenes and passion that would make a nighttime soap envious.
So even though teams are still signing free agents who weren't drafted as we write this, and fans are still dissecting all of their team's moves, isn't it time to take a first look at the 2006 draft?
We thought so, so we have an early top 32 for the draft junkies out there. It's a preliminary list, one that is bound to change -- except at the very top.
Southern California quarterback Matt Leinart will be the top player taken next spring, save for a serious injury. He would have been the first pick in this draft had he come out.
Aside from Leinart, this board is bound to change as the year rolls along. Some of these players will fall off, while others will emerge.
It's a starting point for all the draft junkies out there. As we found out this past month, their appetites are insatiable.
1. Matt Leinart, QB, Southern California: He would have been the first player picked in this year's draft. Barring an injury, he's the top player next year.
2. D'Brickashaw Ferguson, T, Virginia: He's a huge tackle with great athletic ability. If he had come out this year, he would have been a top 10 pick.
3. DeAngelo Williams, RB, Memphis: An explosive runner with good size and the ability to make people miss. Williams is in the Ronnie Brown-Carnell Williams class.
4. Mathias Kiwanuka, DE, Boston College: We know teams are desperate for pass rushers, which will make this speed rusher a potential top five pick.
5. Rodrique Wright, DT, Texas: A power player inside who has great quickness. Thought about coming out this year, but an ankle injury slowed him 2004. Will be a force this season.
6. Jonathan Scott, T, Texas: At 6-7, 315, he has great athletic ability for a man his size. A left tackle with good feet is invaluable. He's a four-year starter at Texas.
7. Vince Young, QB, Texas (Jr.): This may seem high for him, but he came on strong late last season and has wonderful tools. Won the Rose Bowl MVP with a sensational performance. At 6-5, 230, he has a strong arm and wonderful feet.
8. Eric Winston, T, Miami: He tore ligaments in his knee last season; otherwise he wouldn't be back. Winston is a former tight end who excels in pass protection.
9. Reggie Bush, RB, Southern California (Jr.): Some will say he's too small (6-0, 200) to be an NFL running back. They will be wrong. This kid will get 25 touches a game in the NFL and make defenses tremble every time.
10. Chad Greenway, OLB, Iowa: This former high school quarterback has developed into one of the best defensive players in the country. At 6-4, 239 pounds, he is relentless in his pursuit of the ball.
11. Jimmy Williams, CB, Virginia Tech: At 6-3, 219, he is big corner with good speed. Played safety early in his career at Tech, but make no mistake about it. This is a corner.
12. Marcus McNeil, T, Auburn: A massive left tackle at 6-9, 335 pounds, McNeil has all the tools to be a Pro Bowl player.
13. Ernie Sims, LB, Florida State (Jr.): At 6-0, 220 pounds, he doesn't have the size teams love, but he is a wrecking ball at outside linebacker. This kid is special.
14. Mario Williams, DE, North Carolina State (Jr.): At 6-7, 285 pounds, he has outstanding speed off the edge. Has been a starter since he stepped on campus as a freshman. He could be higher on this list with a great junior season.
15. Charlie Whitehurst, QB, Clemson: The son of former NFL quarterback David Whitehurst, Charlie has a big arm and can make all the throws.
16. Gabe Watson, DT, Michigan: At 6-4, 333 pounds, he has the size teams crave from their inside people. But he's also athletic for a man that size.
17. Mercedes Lewis, TE, UCLA: He's the next great receiving tight end to enter the draft. Lewis will become an 80-catch player for whoever takes him.
18. Darnell Bing, S, Southern California: A rangy safety who brings a big lick when he attacks a runner or receiver. Another Ronnie Lott, another former Trojan?
19. Omar Jacobs, QB, Bowling Green (Jr.): Another quarterback with good size (6-4) and the athletic ability to make people respect his feet. Jacobs really came on strong last season and should move his way into the first round next April.
20. Leon Washington, RB, Florida State: He has outstanding big-play ability and great speed. He's smallish at 5-9, 202, but his explosiveness makes up for it.
21. A.J. Hawk, LB, Ohio State: He's one of those players who seems to be everywhere when you watch him play. At 6-2, 238 pounds, he has the size and speed teams like.
22. Antonio Cromartie, CB, Florida State (Jr.): At 6-3, 200, he's another bigger corner who has all the skills to be a shutdown player on the next level.
23. Ahmad Brooks, LB, Virginia (Jr.): He's a tackling machine for the Cavaliers, but he does have some off-field issues that worry scouts.
24. Jason Avant, WR, Michigan: The next in a long line of Michigan receivers headed to the NFL. He isn't in the same class as Braylon Edwards, but he's close.
25. Martin Nance, WR, Miami of Ohio: He's 6-5, 210 pounds but can run 4.4 in the 40. That adds up to a heck of a player.
26. Mike Degory, C, Florida: He's the best center in the country, a player adept at blocking for the run and the pass.
27. Derek Hagan, WR, Arizona State: At 6-2, he has good size and speed to become a big-play threat. May miss Andrew Walter some this season.
28. Davin Joseph, G-T, Oklahoma: Joseph has been a powerful guard who excels blocking for the run. The Sooners are moving him to left tackle this season, which will help his stock rise.
29. Haloti Ngata, DT, Oregon (Jr.): At 6-5, 345, he has the powerful build to be a run-stuffer on the next level. He also has some quickness to collapse the pocket.
30. Abdul Hodge, LB, Iowa: A South Florida product who has developed into a
tackling machine in the Big Ten. At 6-2, 232, he has outstanding speed to get to the football.
31. Laurence Maroney, RB, Minnesota: Was the Gophers MVP last season even though he shared time with Marion Barber.
32. Michael Huff, FS, Texas: A rangy safety who has started for three years. Huff is a big hitter, but he's good in coverage.
Others to watch: Dallas Sartz, LB/S, Southern California; Kamerian Wimbley, DE, Florida State; Orien Harris, DT, Miami; Greg Eslinger, C, Minnesota; Joseph Addai, RB, LSU; Eric Henderson, DE, Georgia Tech; Pierre Woods, LB, Michigan; Jason Allen, CB, Tennessee; Andrew Whitworth, T, LSU; Max Jean-Gilles, G-T, Georgia; Nate Salley, S, Ohio State; Jarrod Page, S, UCLA.
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justanotherbuck
There isn't enough football in the world today
With 3-4 defenses being the "in" thing right now, I believe a 260 lb 4.55 Bobby Carpenter will make a monster "rush" LB'er. If his combine numbers match this Pro Day numbers from this year, he'll be a 1st rounder. He also has very decent coverage skills (3 int's this past year), all the skills and size the N.F.L. loves, he's gonna have alot of teams fighting for his services.
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How can they have Avant ahead of Holmes? In fact, not even listing Holmes and having Hawk behind Greenway just shows how fucked up this list is.
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sandgk
Watson, Crick & A Twist
You forgot the great South Bend weather and knitting combines.ysubuck said:
But seriously -- they have good things going for them. Depends on how they play these things up.
A -- Still got that Catholic League pipeline. Having a grass-roots scouting network like that remains a powerful,though diminished asset.
B -- They have a sterling graduation rate. No mistake about that. Parents Loove hearing about the graduation rate, absolutely love it.
"Graduate my son you will, for sure,and pay for it too!"
Kids like to hear that they can just about stamp out the engraving plate for a degree on accepting that scholarship (course they soon learn of the hard work that takes - but to get something worthwhile will take a little effort).
C -- They have Charlie Weiss -- call him fat, call him any kind of ugly you want ... but, Charlie can flat out coach. He's proven it at the very top of the Professional leagues and has the fancy finger wear to show for it. We under-estimate his drawing power on this score at our peril.
D -- They have the NBC contract and thus a very high media profile, you know your ma and pa will see you, but so will Aunt Millie and your many far-flung cousins or siblings.
E -- Though tarnished by last years Ty W ouster and the humiliating cherchez Le Pope coaching position search, and the late season implosions ND still has some of that sizzle left from its glory days. That and items B-->D above might help bring the some non-parochial blue chippers to South Bend at least for a look see. Then we shall see if Charlie can close those deals or not.
Close 'em and ND may have something to offer in coming years ..
Fail to close 'em and Charlie could be following Ty and Bob in the pastural land of After-Dame.
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BuckBojangles
Jooooooonyer
Well...
We played underperforming seniors too long and it made us one dimensional. We lacked cohesiveness on the O-line at the time and NW had a good offensive game plan.NOTREDAMECHIEF said:
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HabaneroBuck
Non-Nike Design
CBS has two outside linebackers going ahead of AJ Hawk, and one of them is 6 foot-220 lbs. I would be drooling if I were an NFL GM and there were actually teams this stupid in the draft.
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FadeproofBuck
Buckeye Pride
Over the last decade, only Tennessee has had more players drafted than Ohio State has, along with us setting the record for most players taken by one school in a 7 round draft.NOTREDAMECHIEF said:
That's great that ND can get a bunch of 4th-7th rounders and some UDFA's, try getting a 1st rounder every now and then.
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and
Actually, the question should be, why does Notre Dame's record over the last decade totally suck compared to ours if they have more NFL talent? Records of each team over the last 10 years:
Notre Dame: 73-47 (.608), zero Top-10 finishes, zero bowls wins (zero BCS bowl appearances)
Ohio State: 97-28 (.776), National Title, four Top-10 finishes, five bowl wins (3-0 in BCS bowls)
Not to mention we spanked ND's ass both times we played them. Not even close.
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NOTREDAMECHIEF
Legend
Tell me something I didn't know ! And again those OSU wins were the luck of the draw. Wonder how bad Bettis and Ricky would have kicked OSU's ass?
Doesnt matter when they were drafted what matters was that more of them were good neough to be in the NFL!
Doesnt matter when they were drafted what matters was that more of them were good neough to be in the NFL!
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High Lonesome
Hook 'Em
wow, that cbs sportsline article has Three texas guys in the top ten. I was listening to chris carter the other day and he was talking about racism in the nfl and that If Matt Jones was black he might have been a top ten pick. Then he said that if VY changes possision that he very well could be the top WR taken next year.
Nick Saben said in 2002 when VY was being recruited that he was the best recieving prospect that he had seen in 5 or 10 years(thats a stout list if you think about the Roy williams, Larry Fitzgerelds, and Charles Rodgers of the world)
Nick Saben said in 2002 when VY was being recruited that he was the best recieving prospect that he had seen in 5 or 10 years(thats a stout list if you think about the Roy williams, Larry Fitzgerelds, and Charles Rodgers of the world)
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