CBS names All-Decade Team

[Sportsbuck28]

Again, not to blaspheme against HIM how about people start acknowledging the fact Tebow doesn't even have better numbers than Brad Smith before they crown him GOAT?

Brad Smith career
passing: 8,799 yds
Rushing: 4,289 yds
Total offense: 13,088 101 TD's

Tebow
passing: 6,390 yds
rushing: 2,037 yds
Total offense: 8,427 110 TD's

That's just one guy this decade that is at very least worthy of being mentioned in the same breath as TT. If you want to use Tebow's system inflated stats then you don't even want to see how far he is behind the Hawaii QB's.

Put Tebow on a shitty team like Mizzou and ESPiN has to talk about someone else being the greatest human to ever wear cleats.

With those statistics its worth noting that Brad Smith was a four year starter, while Tim Tebow will finish as a 3 year starter and those stats are from only two years as a starter.

Brad Smith's best completion % was 60.3. Tim Tebow's worst is 64.4%.

Brad Smith's highest QB rating was 117.3. Tim Tebow's worst is 172.37.

Brad Smith's most TD's thrown in a season was 17. Tim Tebow's worst is 30.

I could go on but the stats continue to show this trend.

Not to mention that Tebow has 2 national championships (1 as a starter) and a Heisman..

 

[Jaxbuck]

With those statistics its worth noting that Brad Smith was a four year starter, while Tim Tebow will finish as a 3 year starter and those stats are from only two years as a starter.

So now we are only allowed to compare him to other 3 year starters? Whats next left handers only? Keep narrowing it down until we get to the results we want?

Brad Smith's best completion % was 60.3. Tim Tebow's worst is 64.4%.

Brad Smith's highest QB rating was 117.3. Tim Tebow's worst is 172.37.

Brad Smith's most TD's thrown in a season was 17. Tim Tebow's worst is 30.

I could go on but the stats continue to show this trend.

How much can you attribute to having a vastly superior supporting cast? Worst case is Tebow has the TD's and rating stats, Smith has the raw numbers.

Not to mention that Tebow has 2 national championships (1 as a starter) and a Heisman..

Like I said switch teams and see who the new flavor of the month is for greatest of all time.

Brad Smith is just one example of guys who deserve to be mentioned in the conversation and that's just from this decade. Tebow is a great player but the hype is just out of control.

 

[NextBuck]

Again, not to blaspheme against HIM how about people start acknowledging the fact Tebow doesn't even have better numbers than Brad Smith before they crown him GOAT?

Brad Smith career
passing: 8,799 yds
Rushing: 4,289 yds
Total offense: 13,088 101 TD's

Tebow
passing: 6,390 yds
rushing: 2,037 yds
Total offense: 8,427 110 TD's

That's just one guy this decade that is at very least worthy of being mentioned in the same breath as TT. If you want to use Tebow's system inflated stats then you don't even want to see how far he is behind the Hawaii QB's.

Put Tebow on a shitty team like Mizzou and ESPiN has to talk about someone else being the greatest human to ever wear cleats.

Well Brad Smith started all four years so those stats are always going to be slightly skewed. You also proved that Tebow already has more TD's than Smith had. Also before it is all said and done there is a good chance that we will see Tebow with more passing yards. Smith basically was most of Mizzou's offense, and while Tebow was like that his sophomore year he was hardly like that the two other years.

I think Smith is a great player, but Tebow will get the edge because of the titles, the way he played the game, and the fact that he was a much much better passer. Maybe the numbers dont show it yet, but Tebow is a lot better throwing the ball.

Also not everything can be proven with stats. Sometimes you just gotta watch the player. Like Michael Vick wouldnt be a Heisman contender if it was just about stats.

 

[Sportsbuck28]

So now we are only allowed to compare him to other 3 year starters? Whats next left handers only? Keep narrowing it down until we get to the results we want?

All I'm saying is Smith put up his numbers in four years as a starter... Tebow's put up numbers in the same ballpark in two with another year left in which he'll pass them.

How much can you attribute to having a vastly superior supporting cast? Worst case is Tebow has the TD's and rating stats, Smith has the raw numbers.

And how much of Smith's numbers are because of the competition in the Big 12? The B12N wasn't exactly a tough division in Smith's time with Nebraska on a mighty fall, Colorado in the midst of a scandal, Kansas State beginning to drop off after Snyrder left, Iowa State was terrible, and then Kansas hadn't hit thier stride yet.

Meanwhile Tebow has put up his numbers against the likes of Georgia, LSU, Alabama, Tennessee (they have had a great defense), Oklahoma, Florida State (Good defense at least), Auburn, and others.

 

[Jaxbuck]

All I'm saying is Smith put up his numbers in four years as a starter... Tebow's put up numbers in the same ballpark in two with another year left in which he'll pass them.




And how much of Smith's numbers are because of the competition in the Big 12? The B12N wasn't exactly a tough division in Smith's time with Nebraska on a mighty fall, Colorado in the midst of a scandal, Kansas State beginning to drop off after Snyrder left, Iowa State was terrible, and then Kansas hadn't hit thier stride yet.

Meanwhile Tebow has put up his numbers against the likes of Georgia, LSU, Alabama, Tennessee (they have had a great defense), Oklahoma, Florida State (Good defense at least), Auburn, and others.

No consideration for how much better Smith would have been with UF's talent around him or how much worse Tebow would have been in Missouri?

 

[NextBuck]

No consideration for how much better Smith would have been with UF's talent around him or how much worse Tebow would have been in Missouri?

But you can do that with any player. You just have to judge players based off their merits. I could say Troy Smith would have sucked if he was on Mizzou and that Brad Smith would have won the Heisman for us, but it wouldnt be fair to either player to make that assumption.

 

[Jaxbuck]

But you can do that with any player. You just have to judge players based off their merits. I could say Troy Smith would have sucked if he was on Mizzou and that Brad Smith would have won the Heisman for us, but it wouldnt be fair to either player to make that assumption.

I am judging him based off his merits. I'm also willing to give other players credit based on their merits and point out the emperor might not quite be wearing as many clothes as the fine folks in the media would like us to believe.

 

[Sportsbuck28]

No consideration for how much better Smith would have been with UF's talent around him or how much worse Tebow would have been in Missouri?

Tebow's had a great collection of talent around him no doubt... but that talent has also taken away a lot of his opportunities to pad his stats even further (I.E. Demps, Rainey, Harvin and company taking away touches on the ground). Whereas Smith was relied upon to produce for Missouri and didn't have those guys to take away carries and oppurtunities.

I can see this argument working in favor of both guys, but in the end Tebow is the better player even with a year to go, IMO.

 

[DaddyBigBucks]

... You just have to judge players based off their merits...

I believe that is exactly what Jax' is trying to say.

And does ANYONE out there think that Tebow merits the hype? Really? He is a great football player and a great kid, granted. But the hype spans the gamut from blasphemous to creepy.

Is Tebow in the discussion for GOAT? Obviously... we're having the discussion.

But to suggest that the media machine isn't driving the discussion is silliness.

And don't think Tebow won't be passed over just as fast as Bush when it comes to the GOAT hype.

If Ohio State beats USC and wins a BCS game this year, the media frenzy for TP will make their treatment of Tebow look like bashing.

What, you think they wouldn't do that for Ohio State, the team they supposedly hate? Then you've forgotten how short their memories are.

 

[Jaxbuck]

Tebow's had a great collection of talent around him no doubt... but that talent has also taken away a lot of his opportunities to pad his stats even further (I.E. Demps, Rainey, Harvin and company taking away touches on the ground). Whereas Smith was relied upon to produce for Missouri and didn't have those guys to take away carries and oppurtunities.

I can see this argument working in favor of both guys, but in the end Tebow is the better player even with a year to go, IMO.

You honestly think Urbans offense in any way shape or form reduces the focus on Tebow? He didn't have to carry it as much but he gets to dump it off to Percy Harvin and get the passing stats for it. No way to sugar coat TT being the beneficiary of QBing a far superior team.

My question still stands, where is the legend of Tebow sans Heisman and NC's? Just another very good but forgotten QB like Smith.

 

[NextBuck]

Personally I have Tebow up there with Leinart and Young. I think all three are Top 10 QB's of all time.

Tebow and Smith are completely different players, but the reason I really like Tebow is the fact that:

1. He is a true dual threat. Not just a QB who can run.
2. The fire in the kid. He wants to win and will put his body on the line to win.
3. He has been a very good player since his freshman year.
4. When he needed to be "THE MAN" on offense he had 30 TD Passes and 20 TD Rushing
5. He has had back to back 30 TD seasons (How many top notch dual threat QB's can say that?)
6. Career 66% Completion Rate
7. He is doing this all against top notch SEC defenses and I've never seen his game significantly drop due to a very tough opponent.

Do I think ESPN overhypes him? HELL YEAH. If Corso talks about how nice of a man he is and how he is the perfect all american boy one more time I'll kill myself, but I do think he deserves to be in the dicussion.

If TP has a BCS winning season and 20 Passing TD's and 10 Rushing TD's then I think he will get a lot of love from ESPN. Obviously he wont get the Tebow treatment, but no one else ever has. He could easily have the type of hype though in what we saw with Vince Young.

 

[Sportsbuck28]

You honestly think Urbans offense in any way shape or form reduces the focus on Tebow? He didn't have to carry it as much but he gets to dump it off to Percy Harvin and get the passing stats for it. No way to sugar coat TT being the beneficiary of QBing a far superior team.

No I don't, but there is also no way to sugarcoat him putting up those stats against far-superior competition.

My question still stands, where is the legend of Tebow sans Heisman and NC's? Just another very good but forgotten QB like Smith.

And if you take away the Heisman's and awards and NC's from the other elite players they become very good yet forgotten.. don't see what this has to do with anything.

 

[Jaxbuck]

Personally I have Tebow up there with Leinart and Young. I think all three are Top 10 QB's of all time.

I stopped reading at this point.

And if you take away the Heisman's and awards and NC's from the other elite players they become very good yet forgotten.. don't see what this has to do with anything.

Exactly. They are all about the same level if you take away the hype and bullshit the media sells people. To say the latest flavor of the month is any better than the previous flavors of the month is mostly due to hype.

Put anyone of the big stat/system QB's on a better team and their legend grows.

 

[WoodyWorshiper]

JMO, and based solely on the way that things happen, I'll go out on a limb and say that after Florida wins the NC this year and Tebow wins his second Heisman, that in 2 years when ESPN or anybody else ranks their 100 greatest CFB players of All-Time that Tebow will be #1.

Just a feeling.

Peace.

 

[NextBuck]

I stopped reading at this point.
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You're joking right?

Two of them are Heisman winners and the other is one of the most clutch and best dual threat QB's ever. Between them they have a claim at 5 NC's. Leinart is 39-2 and Vince Young only has like 2-3 losses. They all have great stats.

I don't really see the reach with the three.