crazybuckfan40
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take off Hunter add McDougald...
That is the only change I need to make at the moment...
That is the only change I need to make at the moment...
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tlinc
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crazybuckfan40;1168333; said:
That would be my list as well. Though if I count correctly, you have 28 which seems about 2 too high. I think we'd take a 4th WR if one of the ones you list wants to commit. Unfortunately, I don't think we get 1 of them so I would subtract that from the list. I also don't think we get Telfort out of Florida.
That would get us down to 26 which sounds about right to me. I have a suspicion that if Watt goes elsewhere, his spot will be filled by a 7th DB (Clarke, Banks or Hunter, in that order) instead of another in-state OL offer.
Guys like Xavier Nixon or Stephon Gilmore would be too good to pass up and would change the list a bit but I don't like our
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BGriffBuckeye
Haaaang on Sloopy, Sloopy Hang on!! O.. H.. I.. O.
ant80;1169209; said:I just hate it when people don't finish sentences.
our... chances? ... maybe
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tlinc
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ant80;1169209; said:I just hate it when people don't finish sentences.
Ha, yeah sorry about that. My computer started acting weird at the end. I think I ended up posting 3 identical replies and having to delete two of them.
As bgriff correctly guessed, it was supposed to read that I don't like our chances.
I will however add that it seems like Xavier Nixon really liked his visit to OSU so it is not like we have no chance. However, with brining in Adams and Shugarts as OTs last year, I don't see Nixon as too likely. Usually, in the rare times when OSU brings in a bigtime out-of-state southern recruit it is at a position where we can point to an obvious opening for early PT. Don't think we can realistically do that at OT so I'm not too optimistic.
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ant80
Think less, feel more.
Thanks tlinc.
I was looking at CFB40's list here, and I was comparing with the number of scholarship offers we have through Mililani's website. Some bad news folks. We only have 8 spots left. 10 if you add Wells and Washington, who are almost certainly goners IMO. Subtract one if Wilson decides to stay. Others who *might* bolt are Coleman, Russell, Rose, Cordle and Hartline. IMO Rose and Cordle need to stay. Hartline has the best chance of the rest of going pro, and Coleman and Russell can go either way. Let's add in one or two offers for other guys who might, euphemistically speaking, "transfer". That gives us 12 offers left.
The guys who I want are:
RB: Berry, Hyde
WR: Carter + one other
TE: one TE
OL: Watt, Hall
DE: Newsome, Muldoon, Drummond
DT: Adams
DB: Emilen, McGee, Brown, Telfort
The guys who I think will be accepted by the staff, given the scholarship limitations are:
RB: Berry, Hyde
WR: Carter + one other
TE: one TE
OL: Watt, Hall
DE: Newsome, Muldoon, Drummond
DT: Adams
DB: Emilen, McGee, Brown, Telfort
Or substitute Adams with additional WR. Or we might take both Hyde and WR, along with Adams depending on who others bolt early.
btw, of the committed prospects, how many are planning to enroll early?
I was looking at CFB40's list here, and I was comparing with the number of scholarship offers we have through Mililani's website. Some bad news folks. We only have 8 spots left. 10 if you add Wells and Washington, who are almost certainly goners IMO. Subtract one if Wilson decides to stay. Others who *might* bolt are Coleman, Russell, Rose, Cordle and Hartline. IMO Rose and Cordle need to stay. Hartline has the best chance of the rest of going pro, and Coleman and Russell can go either way. Let's add in one or two offers for other guys who might, euphemistically speaking, "transfer". That gives us 12 offers left.
The guys who I want are:
RB: Berry, Hyde
WR: Carter + one other
TE: one TE
OL: Watt, Hall
DE: Newsome, Muldoon, Drummond
DT: Adams
DB: Emilen, McGee, Brown, Telfort
The guys who I think will be accepted by the staff, given the scholarship limitations are:
RB: Berry, Hyde
WR: Carter + one other
TE: one TE
OL: Watt, Hall
DE: Newsome, Muldoon, Drummond
DT: Adams
DB: Emilen, McGee, Brown, Telfort
Or substitute Adams with additional WR. Or we might take both Hyde and WR, along with Adams depending on who others bolt early.
btw, of the committed prospects, how many are planning to enroll early?
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crazybuckfan40
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Update time once again...
Seems like we need one of these every week or two...We have a couple things going on that are giving more a grasp on what is going on...
Still not putting a QB on the list until one is offered and the staff shows they want a QB in the class...
With offers out to 2 more TE's on top of Fragel I am going to add an extra TE in the class...
Still think 6 DB's...3 CB's, 3 S's is what the staff is looking at
Still unsure on Dline...
LB's look set...
OL still looks like 4...
RB: Berry (looking very good, not sure on time, get his mom here and it is over with IMO)
RB: Hall (Hall is a great player to utilize in a spread offense and in space...He is not the type of running back that you just pound up the middle like Beanie as he is only 5'9'' 180, but he is very shifty, has the ability to make guys miss, he also has the ability to be a slot receiver or a receiver out of the backfield and there has been talk about DB a little as well. I really like Hall's game, just watching TP you just can't help but notice Hall)
RB: Hyde (Another one, get him up here for a visit and it should be over...)
FB: Boren (I am not going to lie, I really think the fact that his brother was transferring helped him get the offer, but Boren is a bad dude on the field...He just lacks in the area of overall quickness, side to side to really be relied on to be a LB at this level, and we had already brought in Homan...With that said I am not going to sell him short, he has qualities to like, like his 240 lb frame, his ability to hit. I think he will make an impact here before he leaves tho...)
FB: Homan (I am not ruling out LB or DL just yet...Some did that with A.J. Hawk and they were majorly wrong...He is builty like a truck, maybe the most impressive physically pound for pound in this class...As a FB he will get up in there and open holes, and fills great from the LB position, just like his brother at the high school level it seems they know where they play is going before it starts as they get to the ball so quick...Just a very good football player, that isn't going to get high rankings, but the kind you love to have on your team...Also sports a 3.9 GPA)
WR: Jackson (Well I thought this one was going to play out a little bit longer, but Jackson just loved it here and he got it over with, he is a blazer, was the top WR on the board, will be a huge playmaker here, some are saying he is comparable to Teddy, not me, but that doesn't mean he isn't going to be good, Teddy was just on another level, but Jackson has 10.5100 time, and once again I will mention how much the staff liked this guy and targeted him from the start...Huge get IMO...)
WR: Fields (It took a little longer then some would like, but he got his offer, which is well deserved...He is such a great athlete, he runs well after the catch, has solid hands, and could provide great ability in the return game...He has very godo speed as well and is a threat anytime he touches the ball...I see him playing in the slot here...)
WR: Carter (Before his senior season??)
WR: Boyd/Debose/Evans/Brown (Think we have a good shot at pulling one of these guys...)
TE: Fragel (Fragel is a bad dude...He might not have quite the frame to play tackle, but the kid can block, worksout like a freak, and can also run pretty well for a 6'8'' kid and can catch...You aren't going to confuse him with a WR playing at TE, but I think with his size and speed he will be able to get open and make some plays down the middle of the field, and he really fits our scheme of the blocking TE very well...)
TE: Sims/Hageman (Think the staff is looking for two if one of those guys want to join the class I think they better get a move on...)
OL: Linsley (He is another one that is a bad dude...He is ranked the number 4 guard in the country and soon to be a 4 star on scout as well...He picked up offers from Michigan, Notre Dame, and Miami few days before his verbal...He has that nasty in his game you look for in an olineman, he will be a lock to play inside somewhere, probably one of the guard spots, and he has good technique and gets to the next level very well...Really like this pick up...)
OL: Mewhort (Gotta love his versatility...I think he could play anywhere along the line...he plays C for his high school team and you have to love a kid that can snap the ball and still get to the next level with ease...He has a great frame, could play C, G, T...I eventually see him as an interior guy, but I am not ruling out RT with his frame, and quickness off the ball, just not sure if he would be a mauler type that you look for at RT, that say a Shugarts, Browning, etc are...Some are down on him, but he was injured off and on this season and those that saw him late in the season were very impressed...)
OL: Hall (late, but to the good guys)
OL: Watt (Added him, still think that ND/Mich are big players here, but we still have a solid shot...No real update here, but still looks like a solid shot...)
DE: Fellows (#1 player in the state and a 5 star player IMO...Glad we were able to get him to switch his veral and stay with the home team...He is a little raw in his technique in terms of playing a little too high but that is about the only thing anyone would be down on...he arrives in the backfield with bad intentions...At times in his film he is getting blocked by 3 guys and still makes the play...He is very quick off the edge, and doesn't stop until the whistle blows...He blows up fullbacks all the time that try to block him...He has the potential to add about 30 lbs to his frame and could end up inside or he could stay on the outside, but he provides lots of versatility and will be a beast here...)
DE: Newsome (See Hall)
DT: Muldoon (Says he is going to take visits...Will his spot still be there??)
DT:Simon (Simon is a man amongst boys...He has unreal numbers in the weight room...Has been mentioned as the best player in the state last year as only a junior with guys like Adams, Posey, Stoney on the list...He shows great leverage, and is just a bull on the inside, add 20 more lbs to his 270 lb frame he will be a great 3 technique tackle for our defense. No one is going to want to block him. Rivals is a joke with his ranking as the number 98 player in the country...Might not be the jacobi McDaniel, or McFarland type Dt who are ranked in the top 10, but he is a top 30 player and a 5 star talent...Always great to see a talent like this that wants to verbal early as Simon did...Also sports a 3.5 GPA...)
LB: Bell (Probably the best player that we have committed...#1 SLB in the country...Overall LB goes to Te'o...He is built like a truck, runs well, works well in traffic or in space, great at blitzing the QB, running down plays, meeting ball carriers in the hole..Same high school as Shayne Hale and most if not all will tell you he was the best player on their team last year...He is a 5 star player for sure and should be a fixture in the top 20 on most lists all years)
LB: Whiting (The first verbal of the class...He is another impressive backer...He has great weightroom numbers, is also a very good wrestler wrestling at his weight in the 285 lb class and going to state...The best thing I have seen written about him was from a combine last year "he was described as having DB speed with DL strength and aggression." He will be a monster here to just add to our great LB depth...Should be a fixture in the top 100 on most lists all year...)
LB: Klein (Klein is another one of those football type guys that you just want to go to war with...The thing is alot of those guys aren't always quite as talented as Klein...the injury he played thru in the state finals is phenomal, just shows this kids toughness...he seems to live in opponents backfields, and just trucks people when running the ball...Many are underrating his ability, partially I think because of the talk about him just being a warrior type and not really evaluating what his film shows...Also leading up alot of the recruiting efforts for others in the class...)
CB: Brown(Lose Givens add Brown...Not a bad situation...Should be within the month or so that he pulls the trigger, maybe after his visit to Michigan this weekend...BTW really like this offer and he will compliment Barnett and McGee well...)
CB: Barnett (Another very good player from the state of Ohio...Top 5 CB in the country and top 5 player in the state...He reminds many of Jenkins...Big corner with great speed, great ball skills, hip turn, an physical...He also holds a 4.0 GPA...I see a 5 star player on film, maybe a little biased, but it is what it is...Rivals has him at 50 some which isn't bad either...)
CB: McGee (Looks like this is going to be a little bit of a waiting game, but we are still the leader here...He is also the type of player you wait on if he wants to wait...Think USC is the main competition at the moment...)
S: McDougald (Really like his film, but he is one that might want to pull the trigger early...)
S: Emilien (soon??, I think he will be the first from Florida to pull the trigger...Maybe when he visits???)
S: Wood (He is one of the best safeties in the country...At least top 10, maybe top 5. Rivals loves Wood, has him as the best player in Ohio, I have him in the top 5 of Ohio...I really like his ability to come up and play the run from the safety prospect...Reminicent of Doss...he hits like a ton of bricks, doesn't shy away from contact...Will need another 15-20 lbs to his 190 lb frame to really take his game to the next level and come up and stick the big backs in the hole. Great athlete to go along with great ball skills as well...)
Notes:
The guys I want to add to the list are Adams (good things to say about us lately, and would be top player on my board if he really showed strong interest...Also if he comes do they not hold a spot for Muldoon?), Carradine (needs grades, then the offer...But I really like him still)
Took off Telfort, he is a long shot right now, still think he is the type of player you take no matter what, and the chances might look better once all the other florida kids jump on board...
Still not ready to cut the list not sure where they are going to cut guys off, as it seems with the numbers we have out there in terms of offers and favorites and what not that they are looking to pull in 28...Brown and Barnett have already said they would enroll early so they would be against last years class so that would allow us to bring in 27.
Would say the target number is 25-26...that leaves us 10-11 more to give...
Seems like we need one of these every week or two...We have a couple things going on that are giving more a grasp on what is going on...
Still not putting a QB on the list until one is offered and the staff shows they want a QB in the class...
With offers out to 2 more TE's on top of Fragel I am going to add an extra TE in the class...
Still think 6 DB's...3 CB's, 3 S's is what the staff is looking at
Still unsure on Dline...
LB's look set...
OL still looks like 4...
RB: Berry (looking very good, not sure on time, get his mom here and it is over with IMO)
RB: Hall (Hall is a great player to utilize in a spread offense and in space...He is not the type of running back that you just pound up the middle like Beanie as he is only 5'9'' 180, but he is very shifty, has the ability to make guys miss, he also has the ability to be a slot receiver or a receiver out of the backfield and there has been talk about DB a little as well. I really like Hall's game, just watching TP you just can't help but notice Hall)
RB: Hyde (Another one, get him up here for a visit and it should be over...)
FB: Boren (I am not going to lie, I really think the fact that his brother was transferring helped him get the offer, but Boren is a bad dude on the field...He just lacks in the area of overall quickness, side to side to really be relied on to be a LB at this level, and we had already brought in Homan...With that said I am not going to sell him short, he has qualities to like, like his 240 lb frame, his ability to hit. I think he will make an impact here before he leaves tho...)
FB: Homan (I am not ruling out LB or DL just yet...Some did that with A.J. Hawk and they were majorly wrong...He is builty like a truck, maybe the most impressive physically pound for pound in this class...As a FB he will get up in there and open holes, and fills great from the LB position, just like his brother at the high school level it seems they know where they play is going before it starts as they get to the ball so quick...Just a very good football player, that isn't going to get high rankings, but the kind you love to have on your team...Also sports a 3.9 GPA)
WR: Jackson (Well I thought this one was going to play out a little bit longer, but Jackson just loved it here and he got it over with, he is a blazer, was the top WR on the board, will be a huge playmaker here, some are saying he is comparable to Teddy, not me, but that doesn't mean he isn't going to be good, Teddy was just on another level, but Jackson has 10.5100 time, and once again I will mention how much the staff liked this guy and targeted him from the start...Huge get IMO...)
WR: Fields (It took a little longer then some would like, but he got his offer, which is well deserved...He is such a great athlete, he runs well after the catch, has solid hands, and could provide great ability in the return game...He has very godo speed as well and is a threat anytime he touches the ball...I see him playing in the slot here...)
WR: Carter (Before his senior season??)
WR: Boyd/Debose/Evans/Brown (Think we have a good shot at pulling one of these guys...)
TE: Fragel (Fragel is a bad dude...He might not have quite the frame to play tackle, but the kid can block, worksout like a freak, and can also run pretty well for a 6'8'' kid and can catch...You aren't going to confuse him with a WR playing at TE, but I think with his size and speed he will be able to get open and make some plays down the middle of the field, and he really fits our scheme of the blocking TE very well...)
TE: Sims/Hageman (Think the staff is looking for two if one of those guys want to join the class I think they better get a move on...)
OL: Linsley (He is another one that is a bad dude...He is ranked the number 4 guard in the country and soon to be a 4 star on scout as well...He picked up offers from Michigan, Notre Dame, and Miami few days before his verbal...He has that nasty in his game you look for in an olineman, he will be a lock to play inside somewhere, probably one of the guard spots, and he has good technique and gets to the next level very well...Really like this pick up...)
OL: Mewhort (Gotta love his versatility...I think he could play anywhere along the line...he plays C for his high school team and you have to love a kid that can snap the ball and still get to the next level with ease...He has a great frame, could play C, G, T...I eventually see him as an interior guy, but I am not ruling out RT with his frame, and quickness off the ball, just not sure if he would be a mauler type that you look for at RT, that say a Shugarts, Browning, etc are...Some are down on him, but he was injured off and on this season and those that saw him late in the season were very impressed...)
OL: Hall (late, but to the good guys)
OL: Watt (Added him, still think that ND/Mich are big players here, but we still have a solid shot...No real update here, but still looks like a solid shot...)
DE: Fellows (#1 player in the state and a 5 star player IMO...Glad we were able to get him to switch his veral and stay with the home team...He is a little raw in his technique in terms of playing a little too high but that is about the only thing anyone would be down on...he arrives in the backfield with bad intentions...At times in his film he is getting blocked by 3 guys and still makes the play...He is very quick off the edge, and doesn't stop until the whistle blows...He blows up fullbacks all the time that try to block him...He has the potential to add about 30 lbs to his frame and could end up inside or he could stay on the outside, but he provides lots of versatility and will be a beast here...)
DE: Newsome (See Hall)
DT: Muldoon (Says he is going to take visits...Will his spot still be there??)
DT:Simon (Simon is a man amongst boys...He has unreal numbers in the weight room...Has been mentioned as the best player in the state last year as only a junior with guys like Adams, Posey, Stoney on the list...He shows great leverage, and is just a bull on the inside, add 20 more lbs to his 270 lb frame he will be a great 3 technique tackle for our defense. No one is going to want to block him. Rivals is a joke with his ranking as the number 98 player in the country...Might not be the jacobi McDaniel, or McFarland type Dt who are ranked in the top 10, but he is a top 30 player and a 5 star talent...Always great to see a talent like this that wants to verbal early as Simon did...Also sports a 3.5 GPA...)
LB: Bell (Probably the best player that we have committed...#1 SLB in the country...Overall LB goes to Te'o...He is built like a truck, runs well, works well in traffic or in space, great at blitzing the QB, running down plays, meeting ball carriers in the hole..Same high school as Shayne Hale and most if not all will tell you he was the best player on their team last year...He is a 5 star player for sure and should be a fixture in the top 20 on most lists all years)
LB: Whiting (The first verbal of the class...He is another impressive backer...He has great weightroom numbers, is also a very good wrestler wrestling at his weight in the 285 lb class and going to state...The best thing I have seen written about him was from a combine last year "he was described as having DB speed with DL strength and aggression." He will be a monster here to just add to our great LB depth...Should be a fixture in the top 100 on most lists all year...)
LB: Klein (Klein is another one of those football type guys that you just want to go to war with...The thing is alot of those guys aren't always quite as talented as Klein...the injury he played thru in the state finals is phenomal, just shows this kids toughness...he seems to live in opponents backfields, and just trucks people when running the ball...Many are underrating his ability, partially I think because of the talk about him just being a warrior type and not really evaluating what his film shows...Also leading up alot of the recruiting efforts for others in the class...)
CB: Brown(Lose Givens add Brown...Not a bad situation...Should be within the month or so that he pulls the trigger, maybe after his visit to Michigan this weekend...BTW really like this offer and he will compliment Barnett and McGee well...)
CB: Barnett (Another very good player from the state of Ohio...Top 5 CB in the country and top 5 player in the state...He reminds many of Jenkins...Big corner with great speed, great ball skills, hip turn, an physical...He also holds a 4.0 GPA...I see a 5 star player on film, maybe a little biased, but it is what it is...Rivals has him at 50 some which isn't bad either...)
CB: McGee (Looks like this is going to be a little bit of a waiting game, but we are still the leader here...He is also the type of player you wait on if he wants to wait...Think USC is the main competition at the moment...)
S: McDougald (Really like his film, but he is one that might want to pull the trigger early...)
S: Emilien (soon??, I think he will be the first from Florida to pull the trigger...Maybe when he visits???)
S: Wood (He is one of the best safeties in the country...At least top 10, maybe top 5. Rivals loves Wood, has him as the best player in Ohio, I have him in the top 5 of Ohio...I really like his ability to come up and play the run from the safety prospect...Reminicent of Doss...he hits like a ton of bricks, doesn't shy away from contact...Will need another 15-20 lbs to his 190 lb frame to really take his game to the next level and come up and stick the big backs in the hole. Great athlete to go along with great ball skills as well...)
Notes:
The guys I want to add to the list are Adams (good things to say about us lately, and would be top player on my board if he really showed strong interest...Also if he comes do they not hold a spot for Muldoon?), Carradine (needs grades, then the offer...But I really like him still)
Took off Telfort, he is a long shot right now, still think he is the type of player you take no matter what, and the chances might look better once all the other florida kids jump on board...
Still not ready to cut the list not sure where they are going to cut guys off, as it seems with the numbers we have out there in terms of offers and favorites and what not that they are looking to pull in 28...Brown and Barnett have already said they would enroll early so they would be against last years class so that would allow us to bring in 27.
Would say the target number is 25-26...that leaves us 10-11 more to give...
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BGriffBuckeye
Haaaang on Sloopy, Sloopy Hang on!! O.. H.. I.. O.
I have wondered about Hyde. I know we are looking good for him, but what I wonder about is if we slow play him a bit or tell him to hold off and look around until we REALLY know what's up with Beanie. Thoughts?
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I would see Hyde slow playing us before the other way around. If we can get him we take him and use next year to get him ready for 2010 if Beanie stays. The backfield is starting to look crowded regardless.
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crazybuckfan40
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BGriffBuckeye;1171999; said:
Like I said if he makes the visit I think he is in...If not well then maybe we are slow playing him...
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BGriffBuckeye
Haaaang on Sloopy, Sloopy Hang on!! O.. H.. I.. O.
I just thought that with so top prospects taking SERIOUS looks at us then spots may be tight, that's mainly why.
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OregonBuckeye
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BGriffBuckeye;1172063; said:
Well, doesn't Hyde count as one of those top prospects? He's the #1 rated FB on scout and a top 250 player on rivals.
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crazybuckfan40
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jazzman;1172078; said:
The other guys on are on another level IMO...Would they take Appleton as a 4 receiver on top of the 3 we already have...Not saying they wouldn't, just a question
Yeah it will, but we are in about as good of position we could be in for a kid from the left coast, and being head to head against USC...
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