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Well, since Nowitzki doesn't count (he's a fw and a freak), Z has to be the best shooting 7 foot center. Heck he has to be the best shooting center outside 10 ft in the league.

If you notice, alot of his outside makes are swishes. He's played well this year.
 
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Well, since Nowitzki doesn't count (he's a fw and a freak), Z has to be the best shooting 7 foot center. Heck he has to be the best shooting center outside 10 ft in the league.

If you notice, alot of his outside makes are swishes. He's played well this year.

That's the main reason I said taller than 7'. Brad Miller has a better FT%, but he is just 7' as well. I can't imagine how bad the Cavs would be playing this year if they had let Z go.
 
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For those interested, here is a link talking about all of Jordans 25 game-winning shots.

http://mj.mgzhome.com/career/best.phtml

There are 25 in all.


Yea, that's the site I got for his buzzer beaters. His first actual bb was against the Cavs (Ehlo).

That's a great site.

When LBJ gets one, we'll have to start a site. :) He'll get one soon enough.
 
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Can LeBron hit the big shot?

O.K. so he's missed 3 game winning shots as of late. People on T.V. are melting down saying he might not be able to hit the big shot his entire career. So here's my question. Do you think Lebron can hit that big shot at the end of the game, as time expires to win it or send it to overtime?

I'm not buying the crap on T.V. Give the guy a break, he just turned 21... mark my words he will hit his share of game winning shots in his career.
 
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Ok after a day to think about this, I have come to the conclusion that right now we have to cut him some slack. He is only 21 and he has the weight of a franschise on his shoulders.

He did miss game tying free throws against the Lakers and Nuggets, and passed off his shot in the Portland game. But it just so happen that they all came back to back to back.

My feeling right now is that they will come when he develops that killer instict and he looks at their team as says send your team that crowd and have the basket moving in all differnt directions and I am still going to find a way to make this shot and you arent going to stop me.

There is no doubt about it that he has more potential at this point than probably anyone in the history of the nba but right now the light has yet to go on. It helped when Hughes was playing b/c he was helping LBJ progress. Now we are seeing glimpses of last year down the stretch when we had Newble and those guys who can't score, they play nice defense but they just can't score.

Now back to the Cavs. Eventually this talk will right its self when he hits a big shot and you damn well with all this talk the next chance he has he is going to be puttin that bad boy up even if all the rest of the team is open. I guess he just has to go through the struggles to reach the place where we all want him to be.

In all honesty I wouldnt be suprised to see him come close to that 25 number of Jordan.
 
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1/20/06

James facing criticism in clutch

Last-minute failures a rare blemish on resume for Cavaliers superstar

By Brian Windhorst

Beacon Journal sportswriter

<!-- begin body-content -->SAN FRANCISCO - LeBron James has answered the question so often the retort is almost as mindless as it is polished.
Whenever a reporter asks him about how he's handled the pressure of living up to his extreme billing during his short, but impactful lifetime, the comeback is always the same: ``I don't believe in pressure.''
Sometimes actions speak louder than canned words, it seems.
James has built an incredible reputation by always delivering when the hot lights were on, be it his first state championship game, that magical night in December of 2002 when the world witnessed his talent in a high school game on ESPN, or his explosive professional debut in Sacramento. The list could go on and on.
Now there's another rep he's constructing when it comes to that p-word, and this one isn't as flattering. With nowhere to hide on a western road trip almost exclusively featured on national television, James' individual failures to pull off a game-winning play in three tight games have negatively reflected on him.
For the first time in his comet-esque career, the perception and stats are working against him. The most cutting is that he's 2-for-15 on potential game-tying or go-ahead shots in the last ten seconds of a game as a pro. Or that he's shooting 64 percent from the foul line in the last five minutes of games decided by five points or less this season, games in which Cavs are just 2-6 thus far.
If it isn't the numbers, it is the masses who question why James passed up potential game-altering shots in losses in Portland and in Denver on the road trip, passing off to much lesser offensive teammates like Eric Snow or Sasha Pavlovic.
Count fellow Cavs and coaches in that group as well, many of whom found James after Wednesday's biting 90-89 loss in Denver and encouraged him not to pass up such shots no matter how many he's missed.
``I've always been a pass-first type player. My teammates have come to me and asked me to be more aggressive and selfish,'' James said after practice at the University of San Francisco on Thursday. ``But that is hard because that is not my game. My teammates asked me so I have to take it.''
James' teammates reached out after a rare display of negative emotion following his missed free throw in the final second Wednesday night. The 21-year-old phenom seemed to take the loss harder than any in his career, and the impact on the team was profound.
``It showed that he cares. In order to win and be great you have to have passion and he has that,'' Cavs coach Mike Brown said. ``This adversity comes with the territory, being the type of star that he is, but I'm confident in LeBron's ability.''
Perhaps it was a night's sleep, the breath-taking scenery outside the ``House that Bill Russell Built,'' or just some perspective, but the Cavs and James seemed more resolved than downtrodden about their five-game losing streak Thursday.
``We're playing hard but what we've been doing is not enough; they are still losses,'' Brown said. ``We have to find a way to dig a little deeper.''
Davis out
Playing a string of hot teams on their home floors while battling injuries, the Cavs have found karma going against them of late. They do however catch a break tonight against the Golden State Warriors. Star point guard Baron Davis was suspended by the NBA on Thursday following an altercation with Seattle SuperSonics guard Luke Ridnour earlier this week and will sit out the game.
Gooden practices
Drew Gooden, who has missed the past two games with a pulled thigh muscle, took part in the Cavs' workout. He's listed as a game-time decision tonight, but has made it known he'd like to play against his hometown team. The Cavs have lost the rebound battle in both games in their leading rebounder's absence.
 
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1/20

Game-winners wait in James' future



Friday, January 20, 2006 Bill Livingston

Plain Dealer Columnist
He looks out in the sneaker advertisement, this kid who seems to have it all. There is no need to identify him because he is the "Chosen 1," as self-described on a seldom-seen tattoo on his back. He is "King James," and he will lay righteous ball on you until kingdom come.
In the ad, he might as well say "Bring it on." There is one sentence below his face. "I love adversity," it reads.
LeBron James must be head over the heels of his Nike LeBron Zooms in love with it now.
He said he lost the game for the Cavaliers Wednesday night in Denver, when he missed the second of a pair of free throws late, just as he had done in Los Angeles. Five seconds were left then, but less than one tick remained on a clock running out of magic Wednesday.
It has been a bad trip -- a one-point loss against the Lakers, when James also missed the last shot of the game after Drew Gooden rebounded James' missed foul shot; a one-point loss in Denver when Alan Henderson's tip-in spun out after James' missed foul shot; and in-between, a dreadful two-point loss to Portland when James passed to Eric Snow rather than take the last shot.
For that matter, what in the name of Jiri Welsch was James doing refusing an open 3-pointer in the final seconds against Denver and passing to little-used Sasha Pavlovic? And why was Pavlovic even out there? Seldom has a player imploded as spectacularly as Pavlovic, who missed two free throws badly, had a shot thunder-blocked, and turned the ball over, all in less time than it took for demolition experts to blow up the Seattle Kingdome years ago.
Veteran Jamesologists remember the one state title game his team lost, to Cincinnati Roger Bacon in his junior year. James turned down the last shot and passed to Chad Mraz, who missed the tying 3-pointer. Mraz was a better choice than Pavlovic. Pavlovic was a smear of protoplasm by the time James passed to him.
Of course, it is ridiculous for James to say he lost the game. He needed one assist for a triple-double vs. Denver. With Gooden injured now, Zydrunas Ilgauskas hurting, and Damon Jones and Donyell Marshall slumping, James is carrying the team.
Why couldn't Jones have lost the game? It was he, lauded in a he-said-what? moment by coach Mike Brown for his defense off the ball, who left Earl Boykins all alone for the killer 3-pointer.
Why couldn't the usual weak-kneed refusal to give hard fouls have lost the game? When Carmelo Anthony blew past Ira Newble to dunk in the last seconds, no Cavalier laid a glove on him. But Denver hammered James late when he took an inbounds pass near the rim.
It is troubling that James is missing big free throws. He began the season shooting 85 percent at the line and is now in the mid-70s. He will join the buzzer-beater fraternity eventually with a field goal. But difficulty at the line becomes mental.
He is too talented for buzzer-beaters not to come. He is also carrying too big a load to be criticized harshly at this point for their absence.
Until now, there had been almost as much awe of him here as love. He was the ready-made superstar in a town partial to overachievers. The huge sign downtown that shows him dunking reads "We are all witnesses." And so we are -- witness to struggles that will humanize James more than any of his slick TV commercials.
Cleveland watches the adversity, waiting to feel the love.
To reach this Plain Dealer columnist:
blivingston@plaind.com, 216-999-5754
 
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1/20/06

Cavaliers at Warriors

Friday, January 20, 2006



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10:30 tonight, The Arena in Oakland
TV WUAB RADIO WHBC-AM 1480, WQKT-FM 104.5, WAKR-AM 1590, WTAM-AM 1100, WJER-AM 1450 FAST BREAKS The Cavaliers have lost the first four games on their six-game Western trip and a season-high five in a row overall. ... The Cavaliers’ failure to covert free throws led to their demise during Wednesday’s 90-89 loss to Denver. They were 20-of-35 from the line, including 3-of-8 in the final 32 seconds. LeBron James missed a free throw with six-tenths of a second left. Alan Henderson’s tip-in after the miss bounced out as time expired. ... The Cavaliers swept the Warriors last season. James averaged 30.5 points, 12.0 rebounds and seven assists in the two games, while Golden State’s Jason Richardson averaged 24.5 points. Richardson is the Warriors’ leading scorer this year at 22.7 points per game.
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How about this box score. LBJ with 14 pts. He wasnt even looking to try and bring the team back. They just quit today. Total piss poor effort. Keep in mind the Warriors were without their best player Bdiddy who was serving a one game suspension. I really love how Brown is giving the guys that energize the team, Wilks, Varejao, and Jackson about 5 minutes a nite. Smart move by him and is giving guys like Pavolivch 23 minutes. Since when did he become better than Jackson. I know it would be nice to bring them both along, but Jackson isnt getting any better sitting on the bench for 43 minutes of the 48. While down 20.

They scored 29 pts in the middle two quarters. I cannot believe what is going on, losing Hughes doesnt cause them to suck this bad. They have been all the games they have played besides this last one, but they can no longer shoot the ball, the wont push it in transition and the defense once again has gone down the shitter.
<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR align=middle><TD> </TD><TD width=370><TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=1 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD class=ysptblbdr2><TABLE class=ysptblclbg3 cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=5 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD><TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR class=ysptblbdr2><TD colSpan=15 height=1></TD></TR><TR align=middle bgColor=#dedec6><TD class=ysptblbdr2 width=1 rowSpan=5></TD><TD width=10 height=18> </TD><TD> </TD><TD class=yspwhitebg width=1 rowSpan=5></TD><TD class=yspscores width=25>1</TD><TD class=yspwhitebg width=1 rowSpan=5></TD><TD class=yspscores width=25>2</TD><TD class=yspwhitebg width=1 rowSpan=5></TD><TD class=yspscores width=25>3</TD><TD class=yspwhitebg width=1 rowSpan=5></TD><TD class=yspscores width=25>4</TD><TD class=yspwhitebg width=1 rowSpan=5></TD><TD class=yspscores align=right width=35>Total</TD><TD class=yspscores width=65></TD><TD class=ysptblbdr2 width=1 rowSpan=5></TD></TR><TR class=yspwhitebg><TD colSpan=13 height=1></TD></TR><TR class=ysptblclbg5 align=middle><TD width=10 height=23></TD><TD class=yspscores align=left>Cleveland </TD><TD class=yspscores>26</TD><TD class=yspscores>17</TD><TD class=yspscores>12</TD><TD class=yspscores>24</TD><TD class=ysptblclbg6 align=right>79 </TD><TD class=ysptblclbg6 align=right>Final </TD></TR><TR class=yspwhitebg><TD colSpan=2></TD><TD colSpan=8 height=1></TD><TD class=ysptblclbg6 colSpan=2></TD></TR><TR class=ysptblclbg5 align=middle><TD width=10 height=23>
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</TD><TD class=yspscores align=left>Golden State </TD><TD class=yspscores>26</TD><TD class=yspscores>28</TD><TD class=yspscores>21</TD><TD class=yspscores>24</TD><TD class=ysptblclbg6 align=right>99 </TD><TD class=ysptblclbg6 align=right> </TD></TR><TR class=ysptblbdr2><TD colSpan=15 height=1></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD><TD> </TD></TR><TR><TD colSpan=3 height=7></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD height=7></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR class=yspsctbg><TD class=ysptblhdr colSpan=13 height=18> Cleveland </TD></TR><TR class=ysptblthbody1 align=right><TD class=yspdetailttl align=left width="18%" height=18> Name</TD><TD class=yspdetailttl width="6%">Min</TD><TD class=yspdetailttl width="8%">FG</TD><TD class=yspdetailttl width="8%">3Pt</TD><TD class=yspdetailttl width="8%">FT</TD><TD class=yspdetailttl width="8%">Off</TD><TD class=yspdetailttl width="6%">Reb</TD><TD class=yspdetailttl width="6%">Ast</TD><TD class=yspdetailttl width="6%">TO</TD><TD class=yspdetailttl width="6%">Stl</TD><TD class=yspdetailttl width="6%">Blk</TD><TD class=yspdetailttl width="6%">PF</TD><TD class=yspdetailttl width="8%">Pts </TD></TR><TR class=ysprow1 align=right><TD align=left> D. Gooden</TD><TD>22</TD><TD>7-8</TD><TD>0-0</TD><TD>2-2</TD><TD>4</TD><TD>10</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>3</TD><TD>2</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>16 </TD></TR><TR class=ysprow2 align=right><TD align=left> L. James</TD><TD>35</TD><TD>5-22</TD><TD>0-3</TD><TD>4-6</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>9</TD><TD>6</TD><TD>6</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>3</TD><TD>14 </TD></TR><TR class=ysprow1 align=right><TD align=left> Z. Ilgauskas</TD><TD>25</TD><TD>6-14</TD><TD>0-0</TD><TD>1-1</TD><TD>7</TD><TD>11</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>4</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>4</TD><TD>13 </TD></TR><TR class=ysprow2 align=right><TD align=left> I. Newble</TD><TD>10</TD><TD>1-3</TD><TD>0-0</TD><TD>0-0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>2 </TD></TR><TR class=ysprow1 align=right><TD align=left> E. Snow</TD><TD>33</TD><TD>2-8</TD><TD>0-0</TD><TD>0-2</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>5</TD><TD>5</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>3</TD><TD>4 </TD></TR><TR class=ysprow2 align=right><TD align=left> L. Jackson</TD><TD>5</TD><TD>0-1</TD><TD>0-1</TD><TD>1-2</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>1 </TD></TR><TR class=ysprow1 align=right><TD align=left> A. Varejao</TD><TD>10</TD><TD>0-0</TD><TD>0-0</TD><TD>0-0</TD><TD>2</TD><TD>6</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>2</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>2</TD><TD>0 </TD></TR><TR class=ysprow2 align=right><TD align=left> M. Wilks</TD><TD>7</TD><TD>1-5</TD><TD>0-3</TD><TD>0-0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>2 </TD></TR><TR class=ysprow1 align=right><TD align=left> A. Henderson</TD><TD>12</TD><TD>2-4</TD><TD>0-0</TD><TD>2-2</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>3</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>6 </TD></TR><TR class=ysprow2 align=right><TD align=left> D. Jones</TD><TD>31</TD><TD>3-8</TD><TD>1-6</TD><TD>0-0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>7 </TD></TR><TR class=ysprow1 align=right><TD align=left> D. Marshall</TD><TD>20</TD><TD>3-6</TD><TD>1-2</TD><TD>1-2</TD><TD>2</TD><TD>5</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>8 </TD></TR><TR class=ysprow2 align=right><TD align=left> S. Pavlovic</TD><TD>23</TD><TD>3-7</TD><TD>0-2</TD><TD>0-0</TD><TD>2</TD><TD>4</TD><TD>2</TD><TD>2</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>6</TD><TD>6 </TD></TR><TR class=ysptblbdr3><TD colSpan=13 height=1></TD></TR><TR class=ysptblclbg5 align=right><TD align=left height=18> Totals</TD><TD>233</TD><TD>33-86</TD><TD>2-17</TD><TD>11-17</TD><TD>19</TD><TD>55</TD><TD>16</TD><TD>20</TD><TD>7</TD><TD>3</TD><TD>22</TD><TD>79 </TD></TR><TR align=right><TD align=left height=18> Percentages:</TD><TD> </TD><TD>.384</TD><TD>.118</TD><TD>.647</TD><TD> </TD><TD align=left colSpan=7>Team Rebounds: 5 </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
 
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1/21/06

Warriors 99, Cavaliers 79

Cavaliers tripping out

James 5-of-22 from field in fifth consecutive defeat on venture out West

By Brian Windhorst

Beacon Journal sportswriter

<!-- begin body-content -->OAKLAND, CALIF. - The Cavaliers found a way to keep from failing again in the clutch. Avoid it all together.
The one thing that allowed them to retain some dignity during their mounting string of losses was they gave effort and had a legitimate chance to win every game. Now that's out the window, too.
The Golden State Warriors whipped the malaised Cavs 99-79 Friday to extend their losing streak to six games, the last five on this West Coast trip. The descent continues, as they've dropped seven of the nine games they've played without Larry Hughes.
With the Warriors going without the suspended Baron Davis and the Cavs coming off a series of bitter, close losses, one would assume they would've smelled blood.
Instead, it was mud.
The Warriors (19-19) bettered the Cavs (20-17) in every phase of the game, leading by as many as 22 points in a rout.
Gone was the defensive intensity shown in Denver; lost was the offensive spirit and creativeness. And execution wasn't a part of the game plan.
The fourth-largest crowd in Warriors history, 20,205, showed up at the Arena in Oakland with LeBron James making his only visit to town, and they promptly saw him play his worst game of the season.
James kept releasing the ball and having it not hit anything or anybody, be it jumpers, layups or passes. He went an uncharacteristic 5-of-22 shooting and scored a season-low 14 points. He also turned the ball over six times, several of them bizarrely unforced.
With the current state of the Cavs, they simply cannot afford for James to have such an off night and stand much of a shot.
The Cavs turned the ball over like they were chasing a record, 17 times in the first three quarters and 20 overall. They also allowed the Warriors to get out and run. They raced to 18 fast-break points.
Every year, every team lays a few eggs on the road, especially in the midst of a long trip. But using that excuse while on such a losing streak rings quite hollow.
Drew Gooden, coming back after missing two games with a pulled thigh muscle, was the only Cav who seemed to play with any fire, and that was perhaps because he was playing in his hometown. He had 16 points and 10 rebounds in 22 minutes.
Zydrunas Ilgauskas scored 13 points and grabbed 11 rebounds, but he was far from a difference-maker.
The rest of the Cavs combined to shoot 38 percent, making just 2-of-17 3-pointers.
Meanwhile, the Warriors had an enjoyable Friday night, moving and pushing the ball on offense, challenging every James drive on defense while letting the Cavs' long-slumping shooters to bang away.
Jason Richardson scored 22 points on his birthday. Mike Dunleavy looked like the best small forward in the building, putting up 22 points.
The Warriors, who had lost five out of six games coming in, also made 8-of-14 3-pointers
 
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This team is horrible, its that simple. Whenever Sasha Pavlovic is playing in the middle of the first quarter, we have a problem. Newble needs to go, you know, the defensive specialist.... no im serious, thats what they call him. Hes an offensive liability, to win in this league you need all 5 players on the court capable of scoring. Mike Brown before the game talking to the reporter was yelling something about how they practice BOXING OUT! BOXING OUT! BOXING OUT!

That sure as hell worked Mike Brown...
 
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