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Cavs 09-10 Season (official thread)

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billmac91;1609705; said:
Nice guy....bad coach.

Really all there is to say. He mishandled the situation, and really hurt a guy who has given everything he can to Cleveland.
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Sadly the right move tomorrow against the Suns would be to sit him again. I hope Mike Brown doesn't overplay Z in order to make it up to him. Even in the games he started for Shaq Z didn't look like himself this season. So far this season he looks like an old player than can come off the bench when they play another big team. He is a liability against running teams. Against teams like the Mavs, Suns, etc. they are better giving Shaq his normal 20-25 minutes and letting Andy play center the rest of the game. with Moon, Lebron, and JJ taking the PF minutes.
 
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I know that everyone says that Lebron is not going anywhere next season:paranoid: but if I were Brown I wouldn't do little things that might irritate him and you just don't treat a guy like Z, who has gone through quite a bit over the years, like Brown treated him. He could have started him and then at the first TO put him on the bench. It was just stupid!
 
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I understand the general concern, but he can still get the record tomorrow against the Suns, which is at home as well. This record is a total games played record, not a consecutive streak, right?

Based on this, it is safe to assume that trading Z is out of the question, since LBJ will not approve of it.
 
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fanaticbuckeye;1609745; said:
I understand the general concern, but he can still get the record tomorrow against the Suns, which is at home as well. This record is a total games played record, not a consecutive streak, right?

Based on this, it is safe to assume that trading Z is out of the question, since LBJ will not approve of it.
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If someone makes a good offer I think you run it by Lebron and see what he says. i.e. The Raptors will give us Bosh for Z (never happen) do you want us to pull the trigger? Lebron is to smart to say no to that one.
 
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Z himself admitted that he told brown he didn't want to play in the 2nd half when the game was in hand just as a gesture. this whole thing has been blown out of proportion for no real reason, other than primarily because people hate mike brown.
 
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fanaticbuckeye;1609745; said:
I understand the general concern, but he can still get the record tomorrow against the Suns, which is at home as well. This record is a total games played record, not a consecutive streak, right?
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While Z would still get the record against the Suns, Z had all of his family at the game Saturday night to be there to celebrate with him. Now they have to stick around til tonight.

Imagine how pissed Z would have been if the next game would have been on the road in like Phoenix versus another home game.
 
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Piney;1610238; said:
While Z would still get the record against the Suns, Z had all of his family at the game Saturday night to be there to celebrate with him. Now they have to stick around til tonight.

Imagine how pissed Z would have been if the next game would have been on the road in like Phoenix versus another home game.
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Mike Brown mismanaged the situation, but would Z be any happier if he had gone in for 2 minutes in the first quarter and then sat the bench for the rest of the game? If Z had played 20 to 25 minutes against the Mavs it probably would have been a much closer game.
Unless he comes out on fire he has no business playing more than a few minutes tonight against the Suns. The Cavs seem to be at their best this season when they go small. Unfortunately for Z it means he loses minutes to guys like Moon and West. Z just needs to stay healthy and sharp for the games Shaq sits out and bigger teams like the Magic and Lakers.
 
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This just further emphasizes Mike Brown's deficiencies. The Cavs don't need a coach, they need a manager. Somebody who can advantageously handle in-game situations and can juggle the lineup and keep everybody happy and focused. The Cavs have the personnel to go big or go small, but I don't think they have a guy who can put it in place without "losing" the players that get left out. The Cavs need somebody who can sit a guy like Z on one night and still have him buy into the fact that they are going to need him - really need him - against other teams that stand in the way of winning a championship.
 
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jlb1705;1610334; said:
This just further emphasizes Mike Brown's deficiencies. The Cavs don't need a coach, they need a manager. Somebody who can advantageously handle in-game situations and can juggle the lineup and keep everybody happy and focused. The Cavs have the personnel to go big or go small, but I don't think they have a guy who can put it in place without "losing" the players that get left out. The Cavs need somebody who can sit a guy like Z on one night and still have him buy into the fact that they are going to need him - really need him - against other teams that stand in the way of winning a championship.
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but Mike Brown "gets it". He's had players mad at him before, and it just comes with the job. They'll be fine and get through it.
 
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exhawg;1610248; said:
Mike Brown mismanaged the situation, but would Z be any happier if he had gone in for 2 minutes in the first quarter and then sat the bench for the rest of the game? If Z had played 20 to 25 minutes against the Mavs it probably would have been a much closer game.
Unless he comes out on fire he has no business playing more than a few minutes tonight against the Suns. The Cavs seem to be at their best this season when they go small. Unfortunately for Z it means he loses minutes to guys like Moon and West. Z just needs to stay healthy and sharp for the games Shaq sits out and bigger teams like the Magic and Lakers.
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I agree that the team played better. I was at the game and I didn't realize Z hadn't played until halftime. I actually have no problem with the fact that Z didn't play and might not play against teams that warrant not playing him.

The ONLY problem I have is the communication of that strategy. You don't do it out of the blue. Z has earned the right to at least know beforehand that this might happen.
 
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Piney;1610393; said:
I agree that the team played better. I was at the game and I didn't realize Z hadn't played until halftime. I actually have no problem with the fact that Z didn't play and might not play against teams that warrant not playing him.

The ONLY problem I have is the communication of that strategy. You don't do it out of the blue. Z has earned the right to at least know beforehand that this might happen.
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Exactly. How embarrassing for him to have family in from overseas, and he gets embarrassed like that. I'm sure he'd have liked a little forewarning that he may not play on a night in which he's supposed to be honored.
 
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Well Z got his record and everyone is feeling great after a 36 to 14 first quarter. I'm sure it will still be a game, but a 19 pt lead after one looks good. I'm sure the Suns will start hitting shots shortly. They took a buzzer 3 away from Lebron at the end.
 
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