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Cavs 09-10 Season (official thread)

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jlb1705;1663195; said:
I think the trade is only a part of that. The Cavs went on a 13-game win streak without Mo and Delonte in the lineup. In addition to incorporating Jamison, they're trying to work those two back into the lineup for a team that was on a roll without them. All of this is taking place right after the All-Star break. I think the week-long break could not have come at a worse time for this team, from the standpoint that it disrupted what they had going. Not to mention that the schedule for the rest of this month is a tough stretch, these kind of struggles are to be expected to some extent. I just hope that the Cavs can preserve their hold on home court advantage and can work out a new rotation in time to go on a roll again in the playoffs.
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I know what you're trying to say here, but it basically confirms what NFBuck posted about disrupting the "chemistry."

The "chemistry" is what allows a team to lose 2 vital pieces and still win 13 in a row. The "chemistry" makes it easier to get these two back in the lineup without disrupting anything. The "chemistry" is having Hickson and Jawad step up real nice and give quality minutes in the absence of teammates.

I didn't like the trade when it happened, and still do not. Just my opinion.

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WoodyWorshiper;1663485; said:
I know what you're trying to say here, but it basically confirms what NFBuck posted about disrupting the "chemistry."

The "chemistry" is what allows a team to lose 2 vital pieces and still win 13 in a row. The "chemistry" makes it easier to get these two back in the lineup without disrupting anything. The "chemistry" is having Hickson and Jawad step up real nice and give quality minutes in the absence of teammates.

I didn't like the trade when it happened, and still do not. Just my opinion.

Peace
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It's tough to counter that argument, but I think people just need to be patient. The Shaq trade looked suspect in the first month when the team looked stagnant on offense and Mike Brown was struggling with the rotation. But the Shaq deal was done for the playoffs.

The Jamison trade was done for the playoffs as well. Do I think Danny Ferry and upper-management thought Jamison would struggle this badly and they'd lose the first 3 games coming out of the break?...probably not, but Mike Brown needs to reconfigure the rotation, and the team needs to get used to having a 4 on the court who likes taking corner shots and penetrating from the wing. They've never had that, and it takes more than 3 games to find a rhythm.

I'm hopeful Mike Brown finds a way to get Jamison into the line-up without taking many minutes from Hickson. I think team defense would be better if they started Hickson and Jamison, letting Jamison defend opposing teams SF's, something he did on a regular basis in Washington. Let Parker come off the bench. Let Jamison float on the perimeter and run a lot of pick and pop with him, or on his side of the court when man help stops penetration. Regardless of whether Brown this, I'm hopeful the new rotations can gel, and some more shots start dropping.
 
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If Z wants to come back to the Cavs and the NBA says no Dan Gilbert needs to rain a shit storm down on them. I didn't see the NBA step in when other players have been cut in the past and resigned with their old team. I admit the rule sucks, but if they don't like it change the rule after the season. Would they say anything if Drew Gooden resigned with the Mavs? Doubtful. I fucking hate the NBA and their incompetent refs.
Maybe a little anger is what the Cavs need right now to get back on track. I've been saying for weeks now that this post All-Star 6 game stretch was going to be rough so I'm not worried. The Cavs are pretty much starting from scratch with a player that changes the way their offense works. Hopefully they will be able to get back in the W tomorrow against the Hornets and then they have the Boston/Toronto back to back that got them at the beginning of the season. They should be a better matchup for both this time around.
 
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exhawg;1663653; said:
If Z wants to come back to the Cavs and the NBA says no Dan Gilbert needs to rain a [censored] storm down on them. I didn't see the NBA step in when other players have been cut in the past and resigned with their old team.
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Did you see something to suggest that the NBA might not let it happen?
 
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exhawg said:
I don't know if they have much of a leg to stand on, but we'll see.

Wizards, Ilgauskas Near Buyout; Can NBA Stop Reunion with Cavs? - NBA - Yahoo! Sports
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This is just a rumor started by those around the Lakers. Wishful thinking. The NBA can't stop this from happening. They have to prove that Z and the Cavs already had a deal. Z will shop around, look at other teams, and then sign with the Cavs. They did this the right way.

I have heard NOBODY from the NBA front office say anything about this situation.
 
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JXC;1663670; said:
This is just a rumor started by those around the Lakers. Wishful thinking. The NBA can't stop this from happening. They have to prove that Z and the Cavs already had a deal. Z will shop around, look at other teams, and then sign with the Cavs. They did this the right way.

I have heard NOBODY from the NBA front office say anything about this situation.
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Well I still hate the refs. :p
 
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WoodyWorshiper;1663485; said:
I know what you're trying to say here, but it basically confirms what NFBuck posted about disrupting the "chemistry."

The "chemistry" is what allows a team to lose 2 vital pieces and still win 13 in a row. The "chemistry" makes it easier to get these two back in the lineup without disrupting anything. The "chemistry" is having Hickson and Jawad step up real nice and give quality minutes in the absence of teammates.

I didn't like the trade when it happened, and still do not. Just my opinion.

Peace
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The "chemistry" will be fine. We will get Z back and will have the same team except adding a 20 ppg and 9 rpg player into the mix. You have no idea about the "chemistry" on the team anyways... You think that one guy, who is a great teammate and a very good player is going to disrupt the "chemistry." If that's true then this team had no "chemistry" in the first place... I don't see any way possible that trading No one for Antawn Jamison is a bad trade. No way. The "chemistry" isn't going to be messed up long term. Remember how the Cavs started this season when Shaq, Parker, Moon were all new additions? Pretty poorly. It takes time for players to adjust to new roles and to get accustomed to playing together. That doesn't mean the "chemistry" on the team is all of the sudden a trainwreck.

The fact of the matter is that Jamison had the best plus/minus on the team against Orlando at +10. Hickson got the start, didn't play that well (guess who had the worst plus/minus on the team), and Jamison got the minutes. I love Hickson (no homo lol) and how good he's becoming but to act like adding Jamison to the mix at zero cost whatsoever is somehow going to hurt this team is blasphemous. It just takes time for the ball to start rolling and everyone to find their roles again. In the end there is no doubt that the Cavs are better with Jamison than without. We've added another incredibly dangerous piece to the team. Someone who is an unselfish veteran teammate who wants to win a championship very badly, and can go for 30 on any given night or if he's off he can willingly defer to other teammates like Hickson. Just another piece to a great puzzle for the Cavs.
 
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I don't think this trade hurt the team in any way. The Cavs have been the best regular season team for the past two seasons. The one and only thing that has held them back is the performance of the other guys come playoff time. Is this the year that they step into their own in crunch time situations?

I'll tell you one thing. The last few years have taught me that Lebron, no matter how good he gets, simply can't do it by himself.
 
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Seems like some people are getting a little ahead of themselves here. Two guys are returning to the rotation coupled with losing Z and adding Jamison. Cavs haven't even had a chance to practice together since all of this has happened. Give it a chance and give Brown sometime to get the rotation together. It is one of his biggest weaknesses which is figuring out a solid rotation.
 
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NBA has not threatened to stop Zydrunas Ilgauskas' return to Cavs - NBA - SI.com

NBA will not block Ilgaukas return to Cavs


NEW YORK (AP) -- An official within the league tells The Associated Press the NBA has not threatened to stop a potential reunion between the Cleveland Cavaliers and Zydrunas Ilgauskas.
The Cavaliers traded their longtime center to Washington last week in the three-team deal that brought Antawn Jamison to Cleveland. The Wizards may decide to buy out Ilgauskas, allowing him to become a free agent.
The Los Angeles Times quoted an unnamed source Sunday saying the NBA had told other teams it wouldn't let Ilgauskas go back to the Cavs. However, the official told the AP the league would only step in if there was proof of an agreement before the trade was completed.
The person was granted anonymity because he was not authorized to comment publicly about the Ilgauskas situation.
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