Cavs 09-10 Season (official thread)

[ImFrigginFly]

What does Amare add to this team? Can't be on the floor at the same time as Shaq; didn't work in Phoenix and LBJ doesn't need more people eating up lane space. So is he only playing when Shaq is not on the floor? What about when/if Z comes back? Then we are back to the defensive concerns? How does Amare improve our defense? My contention is that it doesn't, it makes it worst.

I side with those that have said, we are already one of, if not the best teams in the league as is. Now we add another player that needs the center stage on a team where he might be the third or fourth option.

I vote for staying put. But, Ferry didn't call me.

Amare adds another post presence that can stretch the floor and open the paint with his range also. He's not a threat from 3, but he can score from anywhere inside that. I'm still not sure about these talks about his lousy defense. From what I've seen throughout his career (Phoenix native), Amare can guard any PF in the league. Center is NOT his true position, but that's what the Suns' system calls for. This guy is a stud I'm telling you.

I truly think what Pippen was to Jordan, Amare can be to Lebron. Who says two stars can't flourish on the same team?

5- Shaq
4- Amare
3- Lebron
2- West
1- Williams

Are you kidding?!

 

[fanaticbuckeye]

Those are poor arguments. It didn't work in Phoenix with THAT system. Also, how will Amare clog the lane any more than JJ did, when his jumper is leaps and bounds better than JJ's? I can't argue with the D concerns, because we haven't seen him play much D. But, you also have to take into account that Amare hasn't played for a coach who's been mistaken for a defensive guru. JJ has his lapses on D as well. Mo wasn't known as a defensive player either, and he's been pretty solid now. If Bron signs off on it, then get it done.

What is better about our system that you think its going to work? JJ wants to and can play defense, despite his lapses, and won't demand the ball as much as much as JJ. What happens when Amare is third and fourth option? How can we expect him to buy into a defensive philosophy when he isn't getting offensive touches?

Sure it COULD happen, but I don't see how this is a major improvement. Especially given his salary.

 

[NJ-Buckeye]

If it's true that Amare prefers to play for Miami vs Cavs.. then it proves he's all about himself... and not the team and a championship

that worries me... how long will we have to lose after the trade because of the broken chemistry if he comes in and becomes carcinogenic

then what do we look like two-three years from now... we'll be looking for what JJ is at that time...

that's why I like Jamison... class act who will be all about team

 

[ImFrigginFly]

What is better about our system that you think its going to work? JJ wants to and can play defense, despite his lapses, and won't demand the ball as much as much as JJ. What happens when Amare is third and fourth option? How can we expect him to buy into a defensive philosophy when he isn't getting offensive touches?

Sure it COULD happen, but I don't see how this is a major improvement. Especially given his salary.

Amare will not be 3rd or 4th option. I'm laughing at the thought of that. Maybe once in a while Mo or Shaq or whoever else will go off, but for the most part Amare will always be option 2 and sometimes 1b.

 

[fanaticbuckeye]

Amare adds another post presence that can stretch the floor and open the paint with his range also. He's not a threat from 3, but he can score from anywhere inside that. I'm still not sure about these talks about his lousy defense. From what I've seen throughout his career (Phoenix native), Amare can guard any PF in the league. Center is NOT his true position, but that's what the Suns' system calls for. This guy is a stud I'm telling you.

I truly think what Pippen was to Jordan, Amare can be to Lebron. Who says two stars can't flourish on the same team?

5- Shaq
4- Amare
3- Lebron
2- West
1- Williams

Are you kidding?!

I am not saying Amare is not an excellent player, I know he is a stud. I just don't know how much he improves the Cavs team overall. As someone else pointed out, he is a big name 'splash' trade for the media to drool over. But what is the net result? Will he add to the team chemistry? Will he improve our defense? Do we have enough basketballs to keep everyone happy? What about long term financially?

 

[ImFrigginFly]

I am not saying Amare is not an excellent player, I know he is a stud. As someone else pointed out, he is a big name 'splash' trade for the media to drool over. But what is the net result? Will he add to the team chemistry? What about long term financially?

I just don't know how much he improves the Cavs team overall.

Anytime you add an all-star, you improve any team's overall.

Will he improve our defense?

Yes.

Do we have enough basketballs to keep everyone happy?

Championships usually keep players fairly happy

 

[y0yoyoin]

id also like to say to the people who say the Amare and Shaq experiement didnt work, remember that amare played 1 game after the all star break and was then out for the season with a eye injury...the experiment only lasted half a season and they ran a way different offense then cleveland runs ...The cleveland shaq experiment is finally gelling as evident of our 13 game win streak where shaq is a major focal point...ferry is making this trade soley on its impact in the playoffs...hes looking at how we would matchup with mainly the lakers (Bynum, Gasol, Odum) and Orlando (howard, gortat)....i love this trade...our lineup looks awesome and with Z

C - O'neal (Z, Amare)
PF - Amare (Verajo, D. Jackson)
SF - Lebron (J. Williams, J. Moon, L. Powe)
SG - Parker (D. West, D. Greene)
PG - Williams (Gibson)

not sure how true the rumours are that Jason Richardson will be involved but this is a upgrade at SG as well...even tho id rather not have J-Rich involved in this trade

 

[buchtelgrad04]

What is better about our system that you think its going to work? JJ wants to and can play defense, despite his lapses, and won't demand the ball as much as much as JJ. What happens when Amare is third and fourth option? How can we expect him to buy into a defensive philosophy when he isn't getting offensive touches?

Sure it COULD happen, but I don't see how this is a major improvement. Especially given his salary.

Our system isn't solely focused on offense. We don't shoot in "7 seconds or less." I also don't think he's as bad a defender as he's being described. He's not Shaq by any stretch of the imagination. But his D will greatly improve under a coach who stresses defense.

 

[fanaticbuckeye]

Anytime you add an all-star, you improve any team's overall.

Well, I'm not going to argue semantics...but there is a trade being made here. We must give up something to get Amare. Can you measure chemistry initially? Long term? What happens financially here? He is making 17 (ish) million this year and the scuttlebutt is we will re-sign at years end. We may not have Shaq or Z, if he is bought out and comes back.

Yes.

Can you back that up?

Championships usually keep players fairly happy

If Amare brings a championship then I have wasted 4 or 5 posts. I am just curious if he is the missing piece. I truly am not convinced he is the missing piece. Would love to be wrong in my doubts.

 

[buchtelgrad04]

Well, I'm not going to argue semantics...but there is a trade being made here. We must give up something to get Amare. Can you measure chemistry initially? Long term? What happens financially here? He is making 17 (ish) million this year and the scuttlebutt is we will re-sign at years end. We may not have Shaq or Z, if he is bought out and comes back.


Can you back that up?


If Amare brings a championship then I have wasted 4 or 5 posts. I am just curious if he is the missing piece. I truly am not convinced he is the missing piece. Would love to be wrong in my doubts.

You're absolutely right about him may not being the missing piece, but who better out there to take a chance on?

 

[fanaticbuckeye]

You're absolutely right about him may not being the missing piece, but who better out there to take a chance on?

Why do we have to take a chance? By all accounts this team loves each other and is having a blast playing. We are adding Mo shortly, and then Powe that we haven't had all season. With the way JJ is improving every game and the way Jawad is improving; why not stay put?

 

[buchtelgrad04]

Why do we have to take a chance? By all accounts this team loves each other and is having a blast playing. We are adding Mo shortly, and then Powe that we haven't had all season. With the way JJ is improving every game and the way Jawad is improving; why not stay put?

I don't think that'll get the job done. Obviously the front office doesn't either, or they wouldn't be actively searching for trades. I like this team we have right now, but I honestly think Amare will make this team even better come playoff time.

 

[ImFrigginFly]

I think this is a team that consistently gets to the Eastern Conference Finals and occasionally the NBA Finals. You make a move like this to put you over the hump.

 

[y0yoyoin]

Why do we have to take a chance? By all accounts this team loves each other and is having a blast playing. We are adding Mo shortly, and then Powe that we haven't had all season. With the way JJ is improving every game and the way Jawad is improving; why not stay put?

but why not stack your team as much as possible adding a legitimate all star center for the playoffs?? its not like we are trading away mo or lebron or 5 players for 1...we are basically trading JJ for Amare which you cannot deny is a immediate upgrade...Amare coming here is not guaranteeing we win a title but it deffinitly puts you in the driver seat....theres just to many questions with JJ and his minimal playoff experience to bank your entire championship run on him if you can get a guy like amare....i just hope this trade gets pulled off and we dont stand pat...i would hate to look back in june when we get beat by the lakers or orlando and say we could of gotten a better peice for this team when we had the chance...im sick of seeing cleveland lose...1964 was a long time ago

edit: and i saw someone make a good point in relation with cleveland banking on their young players who we say are "untouchable" when we could get a better player...anyone remember jarred wright?? we could of have pedro martinez from the expos and we didnt and we all obviously know how this turned out...just something to think about

 

[y0yoyoin]

Cleveland Cavaliers reportedly set to trade Zydrunas Ilgauskas, J.J. Hickson to Phoenix for Amare Stoudemire, if Suns agree | cleveland.com

apparently the ball is in phoenix's court and we have made the offer they just have to agree to it

The ball is in Phoenix's court. The Suns are mulling whether the financial relief provided by Ilgauskas' $12 million contract and the young and talented Hickson are enough for them to part with Stoudemire.
Cleveland believes the addition of Stoudemire would all but seal LeBron James' re-signing with the team when he becomes a free agent this summer. The Cavaliers are also prepared to sign Stoudemire, who has one year and $17 million remaining on his contract, to a long-term contract extension once the season ends.
The Suns would likely waive Ilgauskas, a move that would allow him to be re-signed by Cleveland after 30 days.
Cleveland is also talking with Washington about acquiring Antawn Jamison, as well as Indiana about Troy Murphy. Meanwhile, Golden State is trying to entice the Cavs into taking Corey Maggette for Ilgauskas.

According to a Tweet by Brian Windhorst, Stoudemire won't be dealt on All-Star Sunday. The Cavaliers are hoping to receive a 'yes or no' from the Suns early this week.
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