Cavs 09-10 Season (official thread)

[BigJim]

As for the comment about the refs: I made a comment during the game last night about some late whistles. I don't think I was bitching. I remember at least three really late whistles (coming against both teams), which got kind of annoying. Every time though, they made exactly the right call. I'll take the right call late (even against the Cavs) over the wrong call or a no call.

And let's face it - NBA reffing deserves to be criticized (even if not for last night's performance, which seemed pretty good).

I do agree with everything from you that I quoted. The refs definitely miss calls and it gets annoying. It's only when the complaints have a tone like it happens to the Cavs but not the team's they're playing that bugs me. But I understand it's natural for fans to complain about it.

Good call with the Shaq comments.

 

[SCBuck13]

Report: Cavs in trade talks to acquire Phoenix Suns forward Amare Stoudemire - ESPN

The Plain Dealer is reporting the Cleveland Cavaliers are in negotiations to acquire Suns All-Star forward Amare Stoudemire.
Citing multiple league sources, the report confirms a meeting between Cavs general manager Danny Ferry and Suns GM Steve Kerr Friday afternoon in Dallas.
According to the paper, sources indicated the Cavs and Suns have been discussing a deal involving the five-time All-Star for nearly a month.
The two teams have collaborated on deals before, including a trade that sent Shaquille O'Neal to Cleveland in the summer of 2009.
In recent weeks, Stoudemire has heard his name pop up in one trade rumor after another. Suns coach Alvin Gentry had a discussion with his big man before the Suns' victory over the Nuggets last week about all the speculation, reminding Stoudemire the situation is completely out of his control.
"I told him he's got to try to put it behind him and move on because whatever happens is going to happen," Gentry said after the game. "It always happens this time of year, there's someone that's always the talk -- it just happens to be him this year."
What's fueling the trade rumors is the fact that Stoudemire can opt out of the final year of his deal after the season. The Suns could decide to trade Stoudemire to get some value from him rather than let him walk away.
"It hasn't been explained to me why every year I'm the subject of trade talks. At the same time, it's a business," Stoudemire said of the situation. "They've never really explained to me why they want to trade me. At the same time, I can't control what I can't control. I stay out of it, and try to keep my focus on the court."

 

[CentralMOBuck]

Report: Cavs in trade talks to acquire Phoenix Suns forward Amare Stoudemire - ESPN

Any word on who the Cavs might have to give up to get Amare? Would he be a good fit?

 

[billmac91]

Any word on who the Cavs might have to give up to get Amare? Would he be a good fit?

You'd have to think Z and Hickson with a backdoor agreement that Z gets let go allowing the Cavs to re-sign him 30 days.

It makes sense to me. Z doesn't fit the Suns up and down style of play so they have no use for him, but get the benefit of dumping his contract. Hickson is turning into a nice player and has obviously raised some eyebrows of late.

Amare is a stud though. Nice jump-shot, athletic as all get out, and finishes everything remotely close to the rim. The idea of LeBron facilatating to Amare, Mo, and Shaq is pretty exciting. I like Hickson, but he doesn't have the finishing capability of Amare and his jumpshot isn't anywhere close to as polished as Amare's. I think Amare is actually a bit underrated if that's possible.

As long as LeBron wants the trade done, I'm good with it. A lot of people will point to Shaq and Amare not working in Phoenix but its a really poor argument.....no LeBron in Phoenix, an awful fit in style of play for Shaq, and a team that resisted Terry Porter's coaching...

 

[Merih]

I think it's going to have to be a bit more than that. Maybe cash and/or a draft pick. The Suns are letting Amare get traded to get something back. If they didn't want anything back and just wanted him off of the payroll, then they could just have Amare opt out of his contract at the end of the season.

Trading him means that they want some good value for him before he bolts from Phoenix, so I would assume that Z and Hickson (with Z returning after 30 days) wouldn't be enough to satiate the Suns. If it was, then they probably would have done it the last time that the "Amare to the Cavs" talks came up.

Nothing too big though, maybe the Cav's next first round pick.

 

[aurorabuckeye13]

You'd have to think Z and Hickson with a backdoor agreement that Z gets let go allowing the Cavs to re-sign him 30 days.

It makes sense to me. Z doesn't fit the Suns up and down style of play so they have no use for him, but get the benefit of dumping his contract. Hickson is turning into a nice player and has obviously raised some eyebrows of late.

Amare is a stud though. Nice jump-shot, athletic as all get out, and finishes everything remotely close to the rim. The idea of LeBron facilatating to Amare, Mo, and Shaq is pretty exciting. I like Hickson, but he doesn't have the finishing capability of Amare and his jumpshot isn't anywhere close to as polished as Amare's. I think Amare is actually a bit underrated if that's possible.

As long as LeBron wants the trade done, I'm good with it. A lot of people will point to Shaq and Amare not working in Phoenix but its a really poor argument.....no LeBron in Phoenix, an awful fit in style of play for Shaq, and a team that resisted Terry Porter's coaching...

Another possibility is signing and trading Wally. The cavs still have his Bird Rights meaning they can sign him and trade him similar to the Keith Van Horn deal a couple years back for Jason Kidd.

 

[billmac91]

I think it's going to have to be a bit more than that. Maybe cash and/or a draft pick. The Suns are letting Amare get traded to get something back. If they didn't want anything back and just wanted him off of the payroll, then they could just have Amare opt out of his contract at the end of the season.

Trading him means that they want some good value for him before he bolts from Phoenix, so I would assume that Z and Hickson (with Z returning after 30 days) wouldn't be enough to satiate the Suns. If it was, then they probably would have done it the last time that the "Amare to the Cavs" talks came up.

Nothing too big though, maybe the Cav's next first round pick.

You may be right, but giving up a late 1st round draft pick is fine by me. If you make the trade, assuming LeBron re-signs, there really aren't many minutes to go around for the forseeable future. Even if the Cavs couldn't re-sign Amare at the end of the year.

I was just thinking about what a good fit Anderson Varajeao would be in Phoenix. Have to think Kerr would be pushing hard for him...

 

[dav713]

I was just thinking about what a good fit Anderson Varajeao would be in Phoenix. Have to think Kerr would be pushing hard for him...

Ya, I just don't know if JJ+Z+late first round pick would do it.

Amare is the one that I'd be willing to give up JJ/risk messing with our chemistry. Even without making a move this team is one of the favorites to win the title. After this year, we would have a young nucleolus of Mo/West/Andy/Amare. That is an amazing core, and one that would be hard for lebron to walk away from.

Jaminson doesn't fit nearly as well long term. He turns 34 around the time of the finals this year. Our front court will be much older, and I fear that would make it that much easier for Lebron to walk after the season. Jaminson's contract would also put us on the hook for 3 more years.

 

[Merih]

I think giving up Andy, JJ, and Z (which we would later get back) for Amare and some cash would be fair. As long as Amare is mature and knows that he would be needed for rebounding and defense more than scoring at first.

Chemistry would need to be readjusted, but with as much fun as the Cavs have night in and night out, I don't see how it can be harmed too much.

 

[billmac91]

I think giving up Andy, JJ, and Z (which we would later get back) for Amare and some cash would be fair. As long as Amare is mature and knows that he would be needed for rebounding and defense more than scoring at first.

Chemistry would need to be readjusted, but with as much fun as the Cavs have night in and night out, I don't see how it can be harmed too much.

Andy, JJ, and Z is WAY too much..no way in hell Ferry pulls the trigger on that. I can't see Andy getting moved, just that Kerr would prob be pushing hard for him. I think the deal comes down to whether or not Phoenix is content with taking J.J., Z, and maybe a pick.

 

[Bucks21]

You don't trade Andy, he has developed way too much and is way too important to this team. His versatility is the glue that makes this team work so well.

 

[Merih]

I'm not saying that the Cavs should make that move, I tend to think that they should keep everyone and prepare for another deep playoff run. The failings of teams past, at least partly, I place on youth and inexperience. The deeper runs that the Cavs make, the better these guys will play in the clutch.

For a player of Amare's youth, skillset, and capability to dominate, the terms that I put out there are fair. But it is not a deal that I would make. It might make sense money wise, but it would destroy the nucleus of the team.

 

[buchtelgrad04]

There's only a few players I'd give Andy up for. He's probably the second most important player on this team.

 

[fanaticbuckeye]

What does Amare bring to the table that warrants trading away JJ/Z/draft pick for?

21+ points / 8 boards per night - very nice stat line but...

Do we have enough basketballs to keep everyone happy (yes I know, sacrifice for championship, but is that realistic long term)? Does Amare fit into the team attitude/chemistry? He is a tremendous athlete, but does he guard KG, Gasol, Bynum, Lewis, et al better than we do currently? I don't know that I'm excited for that trade?

 

[OH10]

Can't give up Andy. He does too many things that don't show up in the stat line. Amare only does things that show up in the stats - and very little else.

If I thought Lebron would stay long term, I wouldn't want to part with JJ Hickson either. He could really blossom into an All Star, while Amare hit his ceiling and hasn't shown that he wants to get better. But since I never have thought Lebron would stay, Ferry should go for broke to win a title this season.