Cavs 09-10 Season (official thread)

[OH10]

Powe has proven he can be a strong contributor off the bench for a contender. He's tough; plays bigger than his size; and finishes well around the rim.

But can we afford him? I doubt it.

 

[dav713]

2010 Cap:
LeBron James - $17.15M
Maurice Williams - $9.30M
Anderson Varejao - $7.1M
Delonte West - $4.50M
Boobie Gibson - $4.02M
J.J. Hickson - $1.53M
Darnell Jackson - $0.85M
Anthony Parker - $3M
2010 1st round pick - $0.85M

TOTAL - $48.29M

Delonte, JJ, and Jackson all have team options.

We would also have to renounce Z/Shaq. We could resign them, but we couldn't go over the cap to do so. This also assumes we dont use the rest of our MLE or the BAE. The salary cap projects to drop to between $50.4 million and $53.6 million next year...So we could have just over $2M to spend under the cap.

Bottom line: We aren't going to sign a big name free agent next year. We are spending money this year to get some good pieces. Pieces that later on may be used as trade bait (or sign and trade bait) for another big time player (Remember we got Mo for Damon Jones and Joe Smith).

As for this year. Kleiza seems great, but he seems redundent with parker on board. Plus, we don't have enough of our MLE left to sign him away from Denver. Frye seems like a cheeper option. He could be a true 4 that could get substantial mins playing next to shaq. Something that we don't really have (unless you think lebron is going to play the 4 whenever Shaq is in).

 

[tsteele316]

Powe has proven he can be a strong contributor off the bench for a contender. He's tough; plays bigger than his size; and finishes well around the rim.

But can we afford him? I doubt it.

they can use their BAE to sign him if he would take it.

 

[Brutus1]

The Parker deal is 2 years and just under 6MM (according to ric bucher). That's alot different than 3.5-4.5MM. I like that deal.

 

[billmac91]

Lots of Gerald Wallace to Cleveland trade talk this morning in Charlotte.....don't know the details, but he'd be a great piece teamed with Mo and LeBron.

 

[exhawg]

Lots of Gerald Wallace to Cleveland trade talk this morning in Charlotte.....don't know the details, but he'd be a great piece teamed with Mo and LeBron.

Hopefully that would be a salary dump for the non guaranteed Wally contract and a draft pick. The Cavs don't currently have the contracts to get that deal done otherwise.

 

[Brutus1]

I've heard those Gerald Wallace rumors, too. He'd be a very nice addition. A very good defender. Of course, at this point, they're looking for a stretch-forward to play the 4. That's not Wallace, but he can play the 3 and LBJ can
play the 4.

With LeBron on the court, do positions really matter ? He can guard any 2,3 or 4. They got screwed against the Lakers last year because LBJ would guard Kobe and the Cavs didn't have anyone to guard Odom. Now with Parker, the options are much easier. No more easy 3's for Rashard Lewis, now that Shaq is on Howard and Parker/Delonte will be on VC.

One more player for the Cavs, then maybe a couple scraps.

 

[billmac91]

Hopefully that would be a salary dump for the non guaranteed Wally contract and a draft pick. The Cavs don't currently have the contracts to get that deal done otherwise.

Yup...I think it'd be a sign and trade involving Wally.

If the Cavs do get Wallace, I wonder if they'd start him at the 2 or 3, or have hom come off the bench? He's always played the 3. I'm not sure about starting LeBron at the 4. I guess you could always look at playing LeBron at the 2 also, which noone ever considers.

I think a starting 5 of:

Mo
LeBron
Wallace
Varejao
Shaq

is right up there with any starting 5 in the league. Plus Z off the bench with Parker, West, Boobie, Hickson.

Not too shabby.

 

[jlb1705]

Lots of Gerald Wallace to Cleveland trade talk this morning in Charlotte.....don't know the details, but he'd be a great piece teamed with Mo and LeBron.

Hopefully that would be a salary dump for the non guaranteed Wally contract and a draft pick. The Cavs don't currently have the contracts to get that deal done otherwise.

Ferry: Make it so.

 

[exhawg]

Yup...I think it'd be a sign and trade involving Wally.

If the Cavs do get Wallace, I wonder if they'd start him at the 2 or 3, or have hom come off the bench? He's always played the 3. I'm not sure about starting LeBron at the 4. I guess you could always look at playing LeBron at the 2 also, which noone ever considers.

I think a starting 5 of:

Mo
LeBron
Wallace
Varejao
Shaq

is right up there with any starting 5 in the league. Plus Z off the bench with Parker, West, Boobie, Hickson.

Not too shabby.

That would work if you want to go big, but Mo, West/Parker,Wallace, Lebron, and Shaq would be scary if you go small. We are starting to get the peices so no one can create a matchup that we can't defend. The only problem I can see right now is if a team has a 4 and 5 that could pull both of our bigs away from the basket i.e a healthy Boston.

 

[Bucks21]

Man I gotta give Ferry two thumbs up on both deals. Personally the 6 years 50 million seemed a tad much but we really had no other moves to make with our cap situation. Since in reality it is really 5 years 42 million that is a great deal. Andy does so many little things well other than his occasional try to go one on one with someone. Anthony Parker on a two year deal for only six million is a real good deal for us, basically going to take Wally and Sasha's minutes I would think.

Frye would be a good fit because he is probably only going to take the Biannual to get it done with him. Plus we didn't use all of the midlevel on Parker so does that mean we can use the rest on someone else?


edit- I wouldn't mind Wallace either as long as we don't have to give up JJ. The rumor I saw had Wally and JJ for him.

 

[Piney]

Lots of Gerald Wallace to Cleveland trade talk this morning in Charlotte.....don't know the details, but he'd be a great piece teamed with Mo and LeBron.

Hopefully that would be a salary dump for the non guaranteed Wally contract and a draft pick. The Cavs don't currently have the contracts to get that deal done otherwise.

Saw that Hickson would be part of the deal though...


But this got me thinking. Really the possibility that the cap might be as low as $50 million probably shook up the Cavs thinking. Now it is almost impossible for them to be able to sign LeBron plus another big named guy.

So now the Cavs have to think about other options. They could either do certain contracts in a way that they can do a sign and trade in 2010 (Andy plus another guy to Toronto for Bosh?)

Or, go for broke now. Wally is still a great chip. I bet there is some limit (and probably a rule about it somewhere that I am too lazy to check) But would it be cool if you can sign Wally to a 1 year deal for $15 million but only have $2 million guarenteed, then trade him to whoever needs salary relief in the biggest way? You can take on another big salary but then the other team can cut Wally and save $10+ Million? There's got to be a rule preventing that... right?

 

[buchtelgrad04]

Would Andy be the starter? Just for lineup purposes, if Frye did come here, would he start?

Starters:
Mo
West/Parker
James
Frye
Shaq

2nd Unit:
Boobie
West
Parker
Andy
Z

It seems it would be better floor spacing with those lineups. I know Andy's being paid too much to be a backup compared to our other salaries...but still.

 

[exhawg]

Man I gotta give Ferry two thumbs up on both deals. Personally the 6 years 50 million seemed a tad much but we really had no other moves to make with our cap situation. Since in reality it is really 5 years 42 million that is a great deal. Andy does so many little things well other than his occasional try to go one on one with someone. Anthony Parker on a two year deal for only six million is a real good deal for us, basically going to take Wally and Sasha's minutes I would think.

Frye would be a good fit because he is probably only going to take the Biannual to get it done with him. Plus we didn't use all of the midlevel on Parker so does that mean we can use the rest on someone else?


edit- I wouldn't mind Wallace either as long as we don't have to give up JJ. The rumor I saw had Wally and JJ for him.

Don't quote me on this, but IIRC a sign and trade can only involve 1 player from the side that is trading the freshly signed player so a Wally and JJ deal wouldn't work.

After reading this I don't know if it would work at all:

When a team initiates a sign-and-trade agreement, it must trade the signed player immediately; teams cannot renege on the arrangement and keep the player for themselves, using the other team's financial situation to leverage the signee into a more favorable deal for themselves. Also, the contract signed before the trade must be for at least 3 years, with the first year guaranteed.

That makes it look like the NBA made sure that you can't do what we want the Cavs to do with Wally.

 

[exhawg]

Would Andy be the starter? Just for lineup purposes, if Frye did come here, would he start?

Starters:
Mo
West/Parker
James
Frye
Shaq

2nd Unit:
Boobie
West
Parker
Andy
Z

It seems it would be better floor spacing with those lineups. I know Andy's being paid too much to be a backup compared to our other salaries...but still.

Can Frye shoot? 4 out of the 5 on the floor need to be a threat from 10+ feet.