Cavs 08-09 Season - Central Div Champs (official thread)

[exhawg]

If this trade were to go through it would be good to pair Amare with Ben while they give him a crash course in defending on a string. Ben usually does a good job of covering Z's defensive liabilities. They would have to convince Z to come off the bench, which I think he would be willing to do for the sake of the team. He would still get his 20-30 minutes a game. As long as they could convince Amare to at least give effort on D the Cavs would likely move up to Finals favorite in the East (if they aren't there already). I would hate to give up JJ, but he is basically Amare 6 years ago at best. I'd love to see the Cavs go big against the Lakers with Mo, Lebron, Amare, Andy, and Z. Lebron could then guard Kobe and Amare should be good enough to slow down Odom if he were to go off again.

 

[billmac91]

If this trade were to go through it would be good to pair Amare with Ben while they give him a crash course in defending on a string. Ben usually does a good job of covering Z's defensive liabilities. They would have to convince Z to come off the bench, which I think he would be willing to do for the sake of the team. He would still get his 20-30 minutes a game. As long as they could convince Amare to at least give effort on D the Cavs would likely move up to Finals favorite in the East (if they aren't there already). I would hate to give up JJ, but he is basically Amare 6 years ago at best. I'd love to see the Cavs go big against the Lakers with Mo, Lebron, Amare, Andy, and Z. Lebron could then guard Kobe and Amare should be good enough to slow down Odom if he were to go off again.

I disagree, strongly. The thing Amare has been upset with in Phoenix is Shaq clogging up the paint, it takes up his workspace.

You pair Amare with Z right off the bat, and you've got Z moving the opposing center away from the hoop, a PF in Amare that finish anything inside 6-7 feet from the hoop, a great penetrator and shooter in Mo, and the best player in the league in LeBron.

Downright filthy.

As others have said, Amare's defense being brutal is overblown. Team defense covers up a lot of mistakes, and there is no team defense in Phoenix. Steve Nash gets beat off the dribble whenever the opposing PG wants to beat him, and it creates havoc....Shaq doesn't want to leave from underneath the hoop, Grant Hill is 36, Jason Richardson isn't bad but is far from a stopper in that system.

It's no surprise Phoenix's defensive statistics go considerably up with Leandro Barbosa in the game...that was a tough spot for Porter, who is going to be the coach to significantly cut Nash's minutes??? Phoenix is a better team with Barbosa in the game, IMO.

 

[stowfan]

I just checked the Cleveland PD's web site, no news of this.

 

[3074326]

I just checked the Cleveland PD's web site, no news of this.

No news anywhere other than the Lantern so far.

 

[gracelhink]

FWIW, a respected poster on this Cavs board seems to be hearing some serious rumblings about A'mare to the Cavs. There appears to be a lot of smoke here...much more than I ever expected...

Amare Watch '09 - RealCavsFans

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I hope the Lantern did not get their inside information on the deal from BP post of this blog,

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[NFBuck]

 

[starBUCKS]

That would be close to about the worst trade in the history of the NBA if it happened.

 

[LitlBuck]

That would be close to about the worst trade in the history of the NBA if it happened.

I guess it all depends on how many years you want to wait for a world championship. This team, as it stands right now, will not win one. Someone has to be brought in who will upgrade the team.

 

[jlb1705]

I guess it all depends on how many years you want to wait for a world championship. This team, as it stands right now, will not win one. Someone has to be brought in who will upgrade the team.

I think he was talking about the Suns.

It's a better trade for them than either of the last two they made.

 

[billmac91]

I guess it comes down to playing out A'mare's contract or trying to get anything of value in return.

If you're Phoenix, you're paying the guy 15 mil, and going nowhere with him. And you aren't going to resign him in 2010. I think the dumb move is paying him 15 mil for 2 more seasons, not even in contention to win a championship, and then letting him walk in 2010.

At least if you trade for Hickson and Wally, you've got an expiring contract and 15 mil to begin rebuilding immediately. Plus a 19 or 20 year old PF in JJ Hickson, with great upside. Add in a first round pick, and Phoenix is already a lot further along in the rebuilding process.

The only alternative is to trade A'mare next year, and hope for better value. But I don't think the package Cleveland is offering is that bad...especially when Phoenix is going nowhere, and they can use Wally's contract this off-season however they want.

I think we can all agree however, that whatever the right move is, Steve Kerr will do exactly the opposite. Every move that guy has made has fallen flat on its face.

 

[LitlBuck]

I think he was talking about the Suns.

It's a better trade for them than either of the last two they made.

Thanks and my apologies to starBUCKS. I guess I got a little excited. There is absolutely nothing on Cleveland.com about this trade so I think the Lantern:( might have got some bad intel.

 

[billmac91]

Thanks and my apologies to starBUCKS. I guess I got a little excited. There is absolutely nothing on Cleveland.com about this trade so I think the Lantern:( might have got some bad intel.

My guess is the Lantern has either a Scout member who followed the A'mare thread over there for a few days, or a member at realcavsfans and took the original posters word as gospel.

Trade talks are so fluid, there may have been some validity to it at one point, but things change with one phone call.

 

[exhawg]

From what I read somewhere Ferry isn't going to fight for Amare. I think he offered what he is willing to offer to his buddy Kerr. I think the offer is still on the table if they get closer to the deadline and Kerr can't work a better deal they will revist it. Ferry is smart enough not to break up the team in order to bring a a big name. If he can give up 2 bench players and a draft pick for an All-Star he'd be stupid not to make the trade.

 

[starBUCKS]

I think he was talking about the Suns.

It's a better trade for them than either of the last two they made.

Being the J Rich and Shaq trades? Diaw is only good as a starter, he plays for shit coming off the bench, and Bell a shell of his old self. And Shaq is playing great ...and Marion is in the "didn't you use to be" category.

No comparisson. Wally is an overpaid mid level player , Hickson a project and a 1st round pick that will probably be late. It would go down as one of the worst trades of all time... and yes for the Suns.

One year ago I would have argued till I was blue in the face that Amare was one of the top 5-10 players in the league. He still has the ability. The Shaq trade threw his game off... and Terry Porter drilled everyones game into the garbage.

The intensity and unity is completely lost for Phoenix. You can tell by their body language...no intense high fives, chest bumping or running over to help a teammate up.

They should be building the team around Amare instead of shopping him.

Kerr and Sarver have dismantled things pretty bad. Porter turned out to be a bad fit for the cast. I love Shaq, but his amazing turnaround also foiled his planned use.

Gentry should bring back some up tempo.. and needs to find a way to build around Shaq and Amare, not ship Amare off for a pile of shit and a six pack.

If that trade ever went down...I will denounce my Suns fanship.

 

[3074326]

At least if you trade for Hickson and Wally, you've got an expiring contract and 15 mil to begin rebuilding immediately. Plus a 19 or 20 year old PF in JJ Hickson, with great upside. Add in a first round pick, and Phoenix is already a lot further along in the rebuilding process.

According to ESPN, the Bulls are (or might be) offering Tyrus Thomas and Gooden (expiring contract). And maybe another player, or a first.

I don't watch or pay much attention to the NBA, aside from the Cavs, but the Bulls (potential) offer seems like it'd be more valuable if they throw in a first round pick.