Cam Newton (QB New England Patriots)

[OSU_D/]

Thanks, Auburn/sCam/Cecil, for showing me how to do it. Now who are the top 5 DT's for 2012 and the names of their parents? I have some envelopes I need to deliver.

You bet your butt that if this is a non-SEC school the player would be kept ineligible by the NCAA.

 

[Jake]

OK, time for a glimpse down the other path. What has the NCAA just done if this is the end of it? What if there is nothing else?

I say they have 1) incentivised every high school coach/parent/guardian/handler in America to shop their athlete. 2) Just effectively killed college sports and 3) rendered themselves obsolete.

I totally agree with your first point, but the fact is only the very best would have any chance of gaining anything in this manner. A three-star recruit is getting dropped from the list if his dad tries this shit - anywhere. There are also still some families who would never try such a thing.

In the end we're talking about some of the families of the cream of the crop recruits. That's a very small minority. That doesn't mean it isn't a problem, or that the NCAA didn't undermine what's left of its credibility with this particular decision, but I think items 2 and 3 are slightly exaggerated from an overall standpoint.

Besides, I think the NCAA made themselves largely irrelevant the day they sat back and let six conferences design a "championship" system that serves their own interests above others, first and foremost. If the NCAA had any teeth they would've stepped up then and exercised its alleged authority over the tournament process, as it does in basketball (and every other level of football).

 

[TJnTN]

Thanks, Auburn/sCam/Cecil, for showing me how to do it. Now who are the top 5 DT's for 2012 and the names of their parents? I have some envelopes I need to deliver.

You bet your butt that if this is a non-SEC school the player would be kept ineligible by the NCAA.

I think more that it's a Championship game bound team versus an SEC team......NCAA knows there is more money for a Oregon vs Auburn game rather than <name your team> vs TCU.

My hopes now are that Auburn loses in the NCG to Oregon and then down the road are also stripped of all their wins.

 

[NFBuck]

I am coming perilously close to writing off CFB like I have the nba...

 

[TexasBuck]

OK, time for a glimpse down the other path. What has the NCAA just done if this is the end of it? What if there is nothing else?

I say they have 1) incentivised every high school coach/parent/guardian/handler in America to shop their athlete. 2) Just effectively killed college sports and 3) rendered themselves obsolete.

I have better [censored] to do tonight and I can't stop thinking about what a horrific decision this is.

Agree with this 100%. I am very fearful of the ramifications of this decision.

 

[Jaxbuck]

I totally agree with your first point, but the fact is only the very best would have any chance of gaining anything in this manner. A three-star recruit is getting dropped from the list if his dad tries this shit - anywhere. There are also still some families who would never try such a thing.

In the end we're talking about some of the families of the cream of the crop recruits. That's a very small minority. That doesn't mean it isn't a problem, or that the NCAA didn't undermine what's left of its credibility with this particular decision, but I think items 2 and 3 are slightly exaggerated from an overall standpoint.

I'm sure most people wouldn't try it at first but as it grows and you see other people "getting theirs" and want to get yours. A market will develop and different skill levels will bring different prices. The fundamental thing is this ruling as it stands right now shows there to be no downside to asking, only potential upside.

Once people become more and more certain/comfortable that there is no risk there will be more and more asking as sure as the sun will rise in the east.

It would be like a big loophole in the income tax code. At first you won't try and game it because you fear consequences but after only so many times of hearing co workers get over on the IRS at the water cooler you are going to try it.

Hopefully it never gets that out of control but based on this decision today how do they punish the next guy? How do you get this genie back in the bottle?

 

[Jake]

I'm sure most people wouldn't try it at first but as it grows and you see other people "getting theirs" and want to get yours. A market will develop and different skill levels will bring different prices. The fundamental thing is this ruling as it stands right now shows there to be no downside to asking, only potential upside.

Once people become more and more certain/comfortable that there is no risk there will be more and more asking as sure as the sun will rise in the east.

It would be like a big loophole in the income tax code. At first you won't try and game it because you fear consequences but after only so many times of hearing co workers get over on the IRS at the water cooler you are going to try it.

Hopefully it never gets that out of control but based on this decision today how do they punish the next guy? How do you get this genie back in the bottle?

As any guy can attest asking for something and getting it are two different things.

More people may ask, but no one is going to slip an envelope full of cash to a three star recruit. From the boosters and schools perspectives, they're not going to take such risks for anything but elite talent. I'd like to think some, hopefully including Ohio State, would never do it.

I agree with your view on the NCAA's failure, but I disagree on the magnitude of the decision.

 

[Buckeye_Mike]

I am coming perilously close to writing off CFB like I have the nba...

This. And MLB, which I still haven't watched since the early 90's.

 

[jwinslow]

Remember when the NCAA suddenly began enforcing their rules with unusually strong ethics and accountability, hunting down a variety of agent violations, actually punishing a rogue program for once, etc?

Remember how they tried to appear viable to keep around when the soon to be formed super conferences split off on their own and picked a new postseason as well as governing body?

Buh bye ncaa.o

 

[Gatorubet]

You bet your butt that if this is a non-SEC school the player would be kept ineligible by the NCAA.

SILENCE!!!!! SLAVE!! The Eye Of Slive is watching.

 

[Jaxbuck]

As any guy can attest asking for something and getting it are two different things.

More people may ask, but no one is going to slip an envelope full of cash to a three star recruit. From the boosters and schools perspectives, they're not going to take such risks for anything but elite talent. I'd like to think some, hopefully including Ohio State, would never do it.

I agree with your view on the NCAA's failure, but I disagree on the magnitude of the decision.

I hope it never gets there either but its a classic prisoners dilemma set up. People don't always act rationally or in what you would think was their own best interest. Some will screw the other guy before they screw him and pay players (of all skill levels) some will hold out until they feel their competitive advantage start to erode. Then they will pay players so they can compete on equal terms for the kind of athlete they need to win.

It won't be like that tomorrow but you let the Cam Newton case, as it stands right now, set the precedent and 5 years from now it could be completely out of control.

 

[Mike80]

My son is only 7 months old, but he's gonna be 6'5 and 280lbs at 18 years old. I'm taking offers.....he's so young now he'll never know about it

 

[Zippercat]

Not likely...at all. They have a very serious case of voting bribery they are investigating and college football means next to nothing in this situation.

How often, and with how much publicity, has Congress investigated voting bribery compared to NCAA football? There's a lot more political power at the NCAA than you're giving them credit for....and they will have the ability to get access to the Fed's info after the criminal cases have run their routes.

 

[cincibuck]

I don't know what Cam, Auburn, Slive or the FBI KNOWS, but the the slavish manner in which everyone in the media (Herbie especially) wants to throw their Heisman vote for Newton amazes me. Wouldn't you at least go on air and express some concern? Isn't there an aspect of the award that deals with character?

What clouds are over this entire season and the Heisman award.

 

[cincibuck]

How often, and with how much publicity, has Congress investigated voting bribery compared to NCAA football? There's a lot more political power at the NCAA than you're giving them credit for....and they will have the ability to get access to the Fed's info after the criminal cases have run their routes.

And part of that is what happened to USC v SMU. No one was going to kill college football in the biggest media market in America, especially given the demise of ND and thus the East Coast market, least of all the NCAA.

The Trojans got very lucky.