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Cam Newton (QB New England Patriots)

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scooter1369;1825323; said:
Lets say, in the off chance, Cam's dad didn't actually take any money. Simply shopping him around or looking to hand him to the highest bidder is a major violation.
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On ESPN radio they read the NCAA rules section and it is pretty clear cut that he should be ineligible just based on this. I can't remember the exact section but I am sure someone can find it.

Edit: Unless the radio guy was adding stuff in I believe the section refereed to family members soliciting benefits and didn't say an agreement had to be made. Of course I was in the car so I could of missed something.
 
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according to this article

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/20...cam-newton-ncaa-eligible/index.html?eref=sihp

Also, by doing the right thing based on the available evidence, the NCAA has opened a gaping loophole in its own enforcement process. Any player who is for sale during his recruitment now may shift blame to a parent, an uncle or a crooked family friend and say, "Well, you let Cam Newton play." USC tailback Dillon Baxter should be furious. His school held him out of a game for receiving a golf cart ride from an agent. Any player who has had to sit a game because someone considered by the NCAA to be a booster or agent bought lunch has a legitimate beef. My guess is that if Auburn isn't in a position to win the national title, the NCAA would have suspended Newton for a game or two, but the stakes were just too big -- especially considering undefeated Auburn got jobbed out of playing for the national title by the BCS system only six years ago.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/20...newton-ncaa-eligible/index.html#ixzz16tYpz3uh
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http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/20...newton-ncaa-eligible/index.html#ixzz16tYpz3uh​
 
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Gatorubet said:
I interpret that section that an "agreement" has to be made as an essential predicate before it becomes a violation where the dad's conduct inures to the student athlete's detriment (suspension). I do not read that as being violated by an "offer" to an institution when we have no proof that the offer was "agreed to" or consummated by actual receipt.

See why the FBI evidence will be key if/when it is released....in the future. :p
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So his church just magically got money. And Cam Newton telling Miss State that he may be too expensive for them isn't this?

Why did he all of a sudden go from Miss St to Auburn? MONEY!!! If you don't think somebody at Auburn paid his family for him to come to Auburn you are blind!

If no money was exchanged at all, he would have gone to Miss St. Does common sense exist anymore...it sure doesn't from the NCAA.
 
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JXC;1825344; said:
So his church just magically got money. And Cam Newton telling Miss State that he may be too expensive for them isn't this?

Why did he all of a sudden go from Miss St to Auburn? MONEY!!! If you don't think somebody at Auburn paid his family for him to come to Auburn you are blind!

If no money was exchanged at all, he would have gone to Miss St. Does common sense exist anymore...it sure doesn't from the NCAA.
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It has to be unequivocally proven though.

The F.B.I. investigation and charges against MacGregor will likely lead to this but the NCAA has their hands tied at the moment. Auburn is playing a dangerous game here, b/c should the evidence come out, they're absolutely screwed.
 
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JXC;1825344; said:
If you don't think somebody at Auburn paid his family for him to come to Auburn you are blind!
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You do not win cases by relying on what you think happened. What I think, or the NCAA thinks, it immaterial. What they can prove is sorta the point.

I'm not disagreeing with you on the likelihood of what occured, just on what that means anyone can do NOW based upon current demonstrable evidence. The Barners could get the death penalty if half the rumors about Bobby L are true....Hell, I would not doubt anything was possible with those assholes in charge.
 
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It's a sneaky move by Auburn. If the FBI is still assembling a case, they could have told the NCAA to squash this until they're ready to move forward. Perhaps Auburn knew this, and took advantage to get the NCAA to essentially give a stamp of approval to their season for the time being. Auburn is trying to seal up the final vote for the NCG and get their guy the Heisman, and they just borrowed a bit of legitimacy for both for the time being. I still have no doubt that Auburn is going to get blown the fuck up over this - the demolition crew just isn't finished placing the charges yet. It's a shame that they're going to take the entire college football season down with them by stringing this thing out.
 
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Gatorubet said:
You do not win cases by relying on what you think happened. What I think, or the NCAA thinks, it immaterial. What they can prove is sorta the point.

I'm not disagreeing with you on the likelihood of what occured, just on what that means anyone can do NOW based upon current demonstrable evidence. The Barners could get the death penalty if half the rumors about Bobby L are true....Hell, I would not doubt anything was possible with those assholes in charge.
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So why did they do anything? What everyone thinks right now should be investigated further. Took 3 years for Reggie Bush. For anybody to THINK this should be case closed baffles me.
 
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What about ESPN's anonymous source at Miss State that said a tearful Cam called to say he wanted to go to school at Miss State, but his father said the money was too good at Auburn? If that source was correct, then Cam was complicit in the wrongdoing. Did ESPN make that guy up? Everything else seemed to pan out in that story (e.g. Cecil Newton admitted his part at Miss State eventually).
 
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JohnnyCockfight;1825364; said:
What about ESPN's anonymous source at Miss State that said a tearful Cam called to say he wanted to go to school at Miss State, but his father said the money was too good at Auburn? If that source was correct, then Cam was complicit in the wrongdoing. Did ESPN make that guy up? Everything else seemed to pan out in that story (e.g. Cecil Newton admitted his part at Miss State eventually).
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ESPN is discussing this? I hadn't even noticed.
 
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JohnnyCockfight said:
What about ESPN's anonymous source at Miss State that said a tearful Cam called to say he wanted to go to school at Miss State, but his father said the money was too good at Auburn? If that source was correct, then Cam was complicit in the wrongdoing. Did ESPN make that guy up? Everything else seemed to pan out in that story (e.g. Cecil Newton admitted his part at Miss State eventually).
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Great point really.

It really seems odd that Papa lied about soliciting in the first place only to backtrack about part of the story while these other guys were upfront. So we believe Papa Newton about Cam not knowing and disregard what these guys are saying, which I would assume the NCAA would have access too.

But again there's got to be some proof.
 
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JXC;1825362; said:
So why did they do anything? What everyone thinks right now should be investigated further. Took 3 years for Reggie Bush. For anybody to THINK this should be case closed baffles me.
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What makes you think this case is closed?

Frankly, I agree with you on the circumstantial inferences to be drawn from what we know about this situation. But, as Gator points out proof is something other than conjecture as to what probably happened.

I don't personally understand how Newton can want to go to Mississippi State (according to the quote attributed to him) but ends up at Auburn under any scenario. For example, let's say Cecil knows Cam wants MSU, and decides to "trade" on this inside info - that is to say he knows Cam, his son, is going to MSU and says "Well, what the hell... I'll just get a couple bucks in the process." Assuming Cam had no part in this - why isn't he at MSU then?

Something brought Newton to Auburn. I suppose it's possible Newton simply changed his mind and decided on Auburn while Dad was negotiating with MSU. When MSU said "I don't want to hear it" then Auburn's need to induce is called into question as well. That is - suppose Auburn is getting Cam for free. Dad says, Hey MSU... you guys cheated like dogs with Sherrill.. I'll deliver my son for 180k!" MSU says "no" and no one else is any the wiser, no money changing hands.

Still... the second scenario seems unlikely in as much as Newton is on record somewhere as saying he wanted to sign with MSU out of JC.

In a nut shell, there are plausible scenarios - though in my opinion rather unlikely - where Cam and Auburn did nothing wrong. I think if Cam was at MSU, however, he definitely would be ruled ineligible.

And that's an interesting quandary.... The NCAA is entitled to discourage this sort of behavior strongly by implementing rules which say "We don't care.. you try a play for pay scheme and you're out. Period." Such a rule would, of course, limit people taking chances like the "best case" scenario for Cecil reveals. But, at the same time - if Cam truly knew nothing and if Auburn did not pay anyone (and I agree, where'd that money that fixed up the church come from?) why should the be punished for the violations committed by a 3rd party on some other campus? Again - ineligible to play for Mississippi State? No doubt. Ineligible to play for Auburn? Different question.

I disagree with the NCAA here, and I do believe it will come out that Auburn is straight up crooked. But..... what else is the NCAA supposed to do? (I would agree that they could have stayed quiet... probably SHOULD have stayed quiet. In deciding anything they have undermined themselves considerably.)
 
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