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Cam Newton (QB New England Patriots)

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Wow.

The older I get the more convinced I am that the only league doing it right is the Ivy.

I also wonder what % of the overall NCAA rulebook can be traced back to the SEC? I have often heard older people say that half the rules on college football were due to Bear Bryant's excesses. In the modern era you have the over signing rule because of the SEC abusing that system and now we'll have the Cam Newton loophole/rule attributable to the same proud group.

I'll never stop following the Buckeyes but between ESPN, the SEC and Boise State you can pretty much keep college football. It's like pro wrestling without any good guys.
 
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Nobody is talking about how much money TCU is losing due to this. If im the TCU president im sueing the NCAA for every penny i miss out on due to Auburn being in the BCS Champ game. TCU didnt cheat ... Cecil, Cam, and Auburn did.
 
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smithlabs;1825683; said:
I agree that dinner would normally be cool. My point was that the SEC and NCAA agreed that "persons on whom the student is naturally or legally dependent" can cheat like a son-of-a-bitch.
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I'm sorry, but I just don't see that. If Cecil was paid, then Cam is toast. If Cecil was not paid, but had an agreement to be paid, then Cam is toast.

The thing hinges on a simple concept: there is - currently - no evidence that Cecil received money from Auburn, or that an agreement was reached between Auburn and Cecil or Cam to come to Auburn.

Does Cam's going to Auburn smell? Sure. Is the church getting money more than suspicious? Absolutely. But inference is not proof. Suspicion is not evidence. Essentially this is a factual scenario that is governed by a particular rule. That rule requires either money to change hands or an agreement to be made to receive benefits from the institution.

Here, the institution for which there is evidence of solicitation is not the institution that Cam is playing for. Let's agree that he tried to shake down Miss State. Miss State did not come to an "agreement", nor did they give any money to Cecil. So what people are mad about is that they "think" something was given by Auburn, and they are mad that the SEC and the NCAA are not banning Cam because Auburn agreed to give or gave Cecil money for Cam to come to Auburn.

Maybe they did, but at this point there is no evidence of it. So why you think this now means that it is "OK to cheat" is beyond me. If they take money they are toast, if they ask for money and the institution asked does not take steps to disavow that athlete, or lets them enroll, they are toast.
 
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Gatorubet;1825840; said:
I'm sorry, but I just don't see that. If Cecil was paid, then Cam is toast. If Cecil was not paid, but had an agreement to be paid, then Cam is toast.

The thing hinges on a simple concept: there is - currently - no evidence that Cecil received money from Auburn, or that an agreement was reached between Auburn and Cecil or Cam to come to Auburn.

Does Cam's going to Auburn smell? Sure. Is the church getting money more than suspicious? Absolutely. But inference is not proof. Suspicion is not evidence. Essentially this is a factual scenario that is governed by a particular rule. That rule requires either money to change hands or an agreement to be made to receive benefits from the institution.

Here, the institution for which there is evidence of solicitation is not the institution that Cam is playing for. Let's agree that he tried to shake down Miss State. Miss State did not come to an "agreement", nor did they give any money to Cecil. So what people are mad about is that they "think" something was given by Auburn, and they are mad that the SEC and the NCAA are not banning Cam because Auburn agreed to give or gave Cecil money for Cam to come to Auburn.

Maybe they did, but at this point there is no evidence of it. So why you think this now means that it is "OK to cheat" is beyond me. If they take money they are toast, if they ask for money and the institution asked does not take steps to disavow that athlete, or lets them enroll, they are toast.
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They (NCAA) have admitted that what Cam's dad did with MSU was cheating. That should make Cam ineligible to compete in NCAA FBS football regardless of school. The differentiation between father and son is what is beyond me.
 
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Jaxbuck;1825850; said:
They (NCAA) have admitted that what Cam's dad did with MSU was cheating. That should make Cam ineligible to compete in NCAA FBS football regardless of school. The differentiation between father and son is what is beyond me.
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They you need to borrow this:

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and go back in time and write the NCAA rules in a manner that says that. Unfortunately, in the here and now, we are left to deal with the rules as written. As written, simply asking for money from a school you did not go to does not make the son ineligible.
 
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I am disappointed that so many are reveling in speculation and innuendo.

Let's focus on the facts that are known:

1. Newton plays in the SEC.
2. We hate the SEC.
3. Newton is guilty of all speculation and innuendo.
 
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