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Gatorubet;1966197; said:
I would hardly call a ham handed parent asking for money to sign a son "raising cheating to an art form". And I don't think that Cam's dad was so tricksy hobbitish that it is beyond the ability of the NCAA to find out what happened. I do question why you think the timeline is so deficient in quickness that you conclude that nothing will come of it.
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:lol: You know as well as I do that nothing will come of it. They ruled sCam eligible even after it was proven that his father asked for money from MSU with some bullshit reason that "he didn't know". That on the heels of the whole laptop thing at Florida.

I'm still pissed from Tennessee using illegal spikes to beat us in the 80's with no ramifications, so I am certainly biased. But it's not just me. Please continue with the stance that it's OK to believe that OSU somehow "earned" the moniker of cheater for selling their own shit. Maybe it's just me, but that's laughable.
 
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JCOSU86;1966246; said:
:lol: You know as well as I do that nothing will come of it. They ruled sCam eligible even after it was proven that his father asked for money from MSU with some bullshit reason that "he didn't know". That on the heels of the whole laptop thing at Florida.

I'm still pissed from Tennessee using illegal spikes to beat us in the 80's with no ramifications, so I am certainly biased. But it's not just me. Please continue with the stance that it's OK to believe that OSU somehow "earned" the moniker of cheater for selling their own shit. Maybe it's just me, but that's laughable.
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They got us in the 80's too? Those dirty bastards. I thought it was just in the 1995 John F Coo....err Citrus Bowl.

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JCOSU86;1966246; said:
:lol: You know as well as I do that nothing will come of it.
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No I don't. For some reason you refuse to accept how the NCAA infractions folks work as compared to eligibility, even though I gave you the link. I get that you're mad Cam was not run out of town on a rail immediately, due to his dad propositioning Miss State. Whether it be tOSU or Auburn, both of you deserve due process.
JCOSU86;1966246; said:
They ruled sCam eligible even after it was proven that his father asked for money from MSU with some bull[Mark May] reason that "he didn't know".
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Yeah. That bull[Mark May] NCAA Bylaws thing. I guess we could re-write them now, hit Auburn, and ignore that whole ex-post facto deal - or time travel, go back, and rewrite them before Cam's dad made offers to the Lesser Bulldogs. Sadly, an offer to Miss State from Cam's dad refused by Miss State is not a valid reason under current rules for Cam to be rendered ineligible to play for Auburn, an altogether different team. The language of the bylaws was set in stone before this happened. I'm with you that it sucks that their hands were tied. But the NCAA following the rules is not the same as ignoring the issue.
JCOSU86;1966246; said:
That on the heels of the whole laptop thing at Florida.
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The whole laptop thing at Florida has not one damn thing to do with the NCAA, either eligibility or NCAA By-law infractions. You're just reaching now.
JCOSU86;1966246; said:
I'm still [censored]ed from Tennessee using illegal spikes to beat us in the 80's with no ramifications, so I am certainly biased. But it's not just me. Please continue with the stance that it's OK to believe that OSU somehow "earned" the moniker of cheater for selling their own [Mark May]. Maybe it's just me, but that's laughable.
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Yes, labeling your recent troubles as a "selling your own [Mark May]" story is laughable. But I'd rather discuss that via PM. And again, you talked about national perception, not my opinion, and the perception I was discussing was that one, not mine. "Earned" is maybe too incendiary. But absent the normal homer status we all have about our respective programs, there are rational ways to look at what happened and not come out praising the way you handled it.
 
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Gatorubet;1966197; said:
Here is a timeline of the whole deal. Like I said, the Bammers can be counted on to monitor this and to aid and assist the NCAA however they can.....
http://www.ibleedcrimsonred.com/p/cam-newton-investigation-timeline.html
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So if the NCAA has the bag man for Auburn (as said in that timeline), then why hasn't Auburn received a NOA? As evident by our case, they can always add more, but, they have concrete evidence there. Oregon had on the record sources for their yahoo article, neither of them have received it.

I'm assuming you know more than me about this stuff, and I can only assume the reason we received our so quickly was because of the self reporting and cooperation with the NCAA? (AFAIK, neither Oregon nor Auburn are self reporting theirs)
 
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Gatorubet;1966281; said:
No I don't. For some reason you refuse to accept how the NCAA infractions folks work as compared to eligibility, even though I gave you the link. I get that you're mad Cam was not run out of town on a rail immediately, due to his dad propositioning Miss State. Whether it be tOSU or Auburn, both of you deserve due process.

Yeah. That bull[Mark May] NCAA Bylaws thing. I guess we could re-write them now, hit Auburn, and ignore that whole ex-post facto deal - or time travel, go back, and rewrite them before Cam's dad made offers to the Lesser Bulldogs. Sadly, an offer to Miss State from Cam's dad refused by Miss State is not a valid reason under current rules for Cam to be rendered ineligible to play for Auburn, an altogether different team. The language of the bylaws was set in stone before this happened. I'm with you that it sucks that their hands were tied. But the NCAA following the rules is not the same as ignoring the issue.

The whole laptop thing at Florida has not one damn thing to do with the NCAA, either eligibility or NCAA By-law infractions. You're just reaching now.

Yes, labeling your recent troubles as a "selling your own [Mark May]" story is laughable. But I'd rather discuss that via PM. And again, you talked about national perception, not my opinion, and the perception I was discussing was that one, not mine. "Earned" is maybe too incendiary. But absent the normal homer status we all have about our respective programs, there are rational ways to look at what happened and not come out praising the way you handled it.
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:slappy: Ok, you're right. OSU and Auburn/Oregon have been treated exactly the same way. My argument has no basis. Your superior lawyerly arguing skillz did me in again. :)
 
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JCOSU86;1966331; said:
http://www.theclevelandfan.com/ohio...eye-archive/8452-standing-outside-espns-lines

Granted, this isn't a guy without his own possible bias, but this is a good read and encapsulates what I'm talking about.
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This is an interesting item in that article:

I sent a public records request to the University of Oregon media relations department to specifically get a copy of each and every records request that it has received from ESPN since December, 2010 about the Ducks football program.

Two weeks ago came back the answer: two. The first request was a list of all the revenues and expenditures from the athletic department. The second was for a list of anyone who received complimentary sideline passes since 2007. ESPN refined its first request when Oregon sent them back a financial report, by asking for expenditures the athletic department made for recruiting services. Ultimately though that's the extent of their investigation into Oregon.


Contrast that again with the literally volumes of materials they've requested from Ohio State (as ESPN itself acknowledged in the lawsuit against Ohio State) and ask yourself whether ESPN really is being the fair and balanced outlet they claim to be.


For example, while ESPN was acutely interested in every email, text or phone call Jim Tressel or Gordon Gee or Gene Smith ever sent or had , in the material Oregon sent me ESPN didn't even bother to request any such material from Chip Kelly, who the recruiter admitted he had direct contact with, or the athletic director.


There were no requests of Oregon into any internal investigatory materials, including their procedures manual, nor any requests of what Oregon may have sent to the NCAA. These same requests were made of Ohio State and for which Ohio State complied.


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Let's not forget about the car that Cliff Harris was driving, which was rented by a woman employed by the University of Oregon. That story broke in mid-June, and died down very quickly.

The author never mentions Nike or Phil Knight as a possible reason for ESPN not aggressively going after Oregon, but I'd sure like to know how much Nike spends each year for advertising on ABC/ESPN. Nike's recent annual report shows them at over $20 billion in revenue, but I couldn't find a breakout for advertising expenses. Based on past years, their total advertising expenses should now be between $2.5 and $3 billion.

Once again, we clearly need more Victoria's Secret commercials on sports programming.
 
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We'll never get it, but I would LOVE to hear an explanation from ESPN brass on why they requested so much from Ohio State and so little from Oregon. I can't possibly think of a rational explanation. Even "Ohio State is more important, therefore a bigger story" doesn't cut it, since although the Buckeyes have larger national cachet than the Ducks, Oregon just got done playing for a BCS Championship. How can they not be big enough to pursue this story to the bitter end?
 
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JCOSU86;1966319; said:
:slappy: Ok, you're right. OSU and Auburn/Oregon have been treated exactly the same way. My argument has no basis. Your superior lawyerly arguing skillz did me in again. :)
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Of course you are treated differently. Two guys both did a crime. One confesed, pled guilty and is awaiting sentencing, while in the other case the DA is still working with homicide to collect evidence figure out if they can charge the guy with murder. That is different.

All I'm saying is that if you look at the two processes and assume that the other criminal "got away" with the crime - simply because of watching the calendar - you could be spectacularly wrong. I'm simply saying that your concluding that Auburn will walk - simply because of the delay in Auburn receiving sending an NOA - is not a sound one, considering time lines in cases like FSU and USC. That you have not even mentioned those cases, ones that took far longer than the Auburn case to charge and to penalize, means that you'd rather beat on the SEC than accept some impartial evidence that you might be wrong. Could Auburn walk? Hell, anything is possible I guess. I just can't see why you are so sure. There is tremendous pressure on the NCAA to clean up football's image. I thought y'all were going to be a whipping boy because of that pressure. Turns out they followed the actual evidence and did not charge you with either LOC or FTM. Auburn, OTOH, is an SEC team with a dirty history, and would be a better whipping boy for the NCAA to use as an example. Either the plainswariggletiggers or Oregon - or both - are going to be plunger raped in the near future.
 
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Coqui;1966285; said:
So if the NCAA has the bag man for Auburn (as said in that timeline), then why hasn't Auburn received a NOA? As evident by our case, they can always add more, but, they have concrete evidence there. Oregon had on the record sources for their yahoo article, neither of them have received it.

I'm assuming you know more than me about this stuff, and I can only assume the reason we received our so quickly was because of the self reporting and cooperation with the NCAA? (AFAIK, neither Oregon nor Auburn are self reporting theirs)
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Sheridan's comment is not "proof". How many times did you read some story about "proof" of tOSU getting cars for free? Proof is not news articles from supposed insiders. And again, in the Bush case Reggie was sued in court by his ex agent for not paying him back. That is pretty f-in specific. It took years for them to tie the whole thing together. Even if a bag man is suspected, the NCAA does not even have the simple power to subpoena his bank account records.
 
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