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At this time the three big names, outside the QB's, are: Derrick Johnson, Shawne Merriman, and Marcus Spears. Frye and Campbell are getting hard looks at the second round choice or Andrew Walter or Kyle Orton in the 3rd.

The only way I see anyone moving up to the Browns pick at #3 is to grab either Braylon or Mike Williams. The only teams left that would move up would be San Diego, Arizona (to grab Brown or Cadillac), or Washington. Dallas is a possibility to move up to grab M. Williams but I don't think Parcells has ever done that before. If anyone does move up, I can't see any more than a 1st and 3rd rounders + maybe a 5th or 6th coming Cleveland's way unless it's San Diego in which case a 1st and 2nd would probably offered. Unfortunately, I highly doubt anyone would move up in this draft. Ideally, they trade with Washington for a 1st and 3rd, take Spears, then Antaj Hawthorne in the second, and go for Walter and Mr. Nugent in the third.


One move that could happen is William Green to Zona for a 3rd or 4th rounder but no matter what, it will probably be a draft day trade.
 
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GoofyBuckeye said:
At this time the three big names, outside the QB's, are: Derrick Johnson, Shawne Merriman, and Marcus Spears. Frye and Campbell are getting hard looks at the second round choice or Andrew Walter or Kyle Orton in the 3rd.

The only way I see anyone moving up to the Browns pick at #3 is to grab either Braylon or Mike Williams. The only teams left that would move up would be San Diego, Arizona (to grab Brown or Cadillac), or Washington. Dallas is a possibility to move up to grab M. Williams but I don't think Parcells has ever done that before. If anyone does move up, I can't see any more than a 1st and 3rd rounders + maybe a 5th or 6th coming Cleveland's way unless it's San Diego in which case a 1st and 2nd would probably offered. Unfortunately, I highly doubt anyone would move up in this draft. Ideally, they trade with Washington for a 1st and 3rd, take Spears, then Antaj Hawthorne in the second, and go for Walter and Mr. Nugent in the third.


One move that could happen is William Green to Zona for a 3rd or 4th rounder but no matter what, it will probably be a draft day trade.

minnesota has 2 1sts and would also move up for a WR. If you go by the draft value chart, for Dallas and SD to move up, they would have to give up both 1st round picks. I could see minny moving to #3 for their #7 and their 2nd rounder, or both of their 1sts for our #3 and cleveland's 3rd rounder.
 
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tsteele316 said:
minnesota has 2 1sts and would also move up for a WR. If you go by the draft value chart, for Dallas and SD to move up, they would have to give up both 1st round picks. I could see minny moving to #3 for their #7 and their 2nd rounder, or both of their 1sts for our #3 and cleveland's 3rd rounder.
Bingo! Savage has to bring every possibilty into Berea (which I think they have) and hopefully people think that Chicago will go WR. That might help us out a ton. Plus I think Benson's stock is falling, leaving really only 2 RBs to get. If Miami stays put and takes one, #3 becomes a great trade spot (or so I hope)

The downside is we might have to take less value according to the chart to trade the pick. Then is Savage willing to do that? All I know is this will be a very interesting draft day.
 
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tsteele316 said:
minnesota has 2 1sts and would also move up for a WR. If you go by the draft value chart, for Dallas and SD to move up, they would have to give up both 1st round picks. I could see minny moving to #3 for their #7 and their 2nd rounder, or both of their 1sts for our #3 and cleveland's 3rd rounder.
I'm not sure about Minnesota. Chances are 1 of the two WR's will be there at #7 and Troy Williamson could move up into there too. There has been talk they could go RB with their first selection also so either way they should see something they want fall to #7 then grab a defense guy with their second choice.
 
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There's always the possibility Cleveland could trade down for a 1st round pick and a team's 1st pick next year. It seems that teams are often more willing to gamble future picks based on the hope that their team will perform well enough to make it a late pick. It would be nice to get another pick in what should be a deep draft next year.
 
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Auburn QB Jason Campbell

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By The Owl
Date: Apr 7, 2005

The Browns are in "lockdown mode" inside Berea, and there are few believable signs showing which of many possible directions the team may turn. The Owl thinks the team will look to the QB position early, however, because of pressures created by other AFC North teams. Here's his analysis...
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Phil Savage does not want anybody outside the white fortress on Lou Groza Boulevard in Berea to know what his plans are for the fast-approaching draft.

That, of course, is not unusual for the person in charge of the drafts of all 32 teams in the National Football League. But Savage is a bit unique. He was hired specifically because he has an eye for talent and, whether it was because of bad picks or bad luck, the Browns drafts for the first six years have been less than spectacular.

In other words, the pressure is on. Fans are excited about the moves the Browns have made since Savage and Coach Romeo Crennel were hired and the media likes the way Savage and Crennel are working together.

But the biggest test comes April 23 in the first round for the 15 minutes after the announcement, "The Browns are on the clock" is made, and then for the 10 or five minutes, depending on the pick, after that.

Fans want Savage to hit a home run with every pick. They are greedy, and understandably so, because of failures in the past. Savage says not to expect miracles.

"Because Phil Savage comes to the Browns doesn't mean we're going to get every single player right," Savage warned the day he was hired. "It's not possible. You're dealing with human beings. But the process and system we'll put in place obviously is designed to give us the best chance of getting the right players on your ball club rather than making mistakes. It gives you a chance to make consistently good decisions."

The Browns scouting department is in lockdown mode preparing for the draft April 23rd and 24th, and general manager Phil Savage is sending mixed signals about his plans, particularly at quarterback.

During the scouting combine in Indianapolis two months ago, Savage told reporters chasing Alex Smith of Utah and Aaron Rodgers of California they were putting too much emphasis on the two young quarterbacks. He instead steered the reporters toward Auburn quarterback Jason Campbell.

On his way to the league meetings in Hawaii, however, Savage attended the workouts of Smith and Rodgers, and last week each visited the Browns training complex in Berea because Savage wanted to see them again.

Would the Browns be willing to use the third pick of the draft on a quarterback? Even though no one running the team now had anything to do with choosing Tim Couch with the first overall pick in 1999, the organization still seems gun-shy about investing its top pick in a quarterback.

Finding a quarterback for 2005 became less a priority when Trent Dilfer was acquired in a trade with Seattle last month, but it would be unlikely the Browns would wait past the second round to find his eventual replacement, though Savage has not given up on Luke McCown.

Savage can look around the rest of the AFC North and see every other team in the division has a young starting quarterback. The Browns could have had Ben Roethlisberger last year, but drafted tight Kellen Winslow Jr. instead. The Bengals have Carson Palmer and the Ravens have Kyle Boller.

The opinion might not be unanimous, but there are some in the organization than want to take a quarterback early so the Browns don't fall further behind in developing a young quarterback. As it is, Dilfer is slated to start in 2005, so Palmer and Roethlisberger would each have at least two years starting experience on a Browns first-year starting quarterback in 2006. Boller would have more than two years.

Here's hoping Savage gets his man no later than the second round. From all reports, Akron quarterback Charlie Frye did everything asked of him during a workout last Friday. He might not even be around when the Browns make the second pick of the second round, but if he is, the decision for Savage could come down to Campbell or Frye.

Forget any "Yeah, but Frye played in the MAC" talk. Roethlisberger and Chad Pennington have already proven MAC quarterbacks can make the jump to the NFL without tripping.

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</CENTER>This draft is so critical for the Browns. Savage and Co needs to get some solid to great draft picks to lay the foundation for this team. I think they will get it done.
 
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Trading down seems like such the easy thing to do but guys, I'd give it a 5% chance that happens.

Also, word is Frye is now sliding to the third or maybe even fourth round. Besides Smith and Rodgers, there isn't a QB worthy of a top 34 choice (Browns 1st and 2nd rounders).
 
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I really don't think they should look to draft a quarterback unless Frye falls in their lap, we have so many holes on the team. If they do draft a qb in the first two rounds, he will end up sitting all year or thrown to the wolves and its easier to get a decent quarterback through free agency, then wait 2-3 years for a guy to develop.
 
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bucknuts44820 said:
I really don't think they should look to draft a quarterback unless Frye falls in their lap, we have so many holes on the team. If they do draft a qb in the first two rounds, he will end up sitting all year or thrown to the wolves and its easier to get a decent quarterback through free agency, then wait 2-3 years for a guy to develop.

you a re allowed to bring 20 prospective draftees to your club for interviews before the draft.

cleveland has brough in 4 qbs already. if you think they arent taking a qb, you're fooling yourself.

if frye or campbell is available at #34, cleveland will take them.
this team isnt going to be rebuilt in one offseason, people need to remember that.
 
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this team isnt going to be rebuilt in one offseason, people need to remember that.

I agree with that, but my point is that this class of quarterbacks is not very talented in terms of where the Browns would have to draft them upon projections. Obviously its not my call but I would not want to use my first or second round pick on a quarterback who is not an impact type of player and who might or might not develop in 2-3 years when next years class could be better than this years class....

Brad Smith, Reggie McNeal, Vincent Young, Matt Leinart, Chris Leak.
 
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bucknuts44820 said:
I agree with that, but my point is that this class of quarterbacks is not very talented in terms of where the Browns would have to draft them upon projections. Obviously its not my call but I would not want to use my first or second round pick on a quarterback who is not an impact type of player and who might or might not develop in 2-3 years when next years class could be better than this years class....

Brad Smith, Reggie McNeal, Vincent Young, Matt Leinart, Chris Leak.
Brad Smith, McNeal??? you're being silly now.

however, i guess this is why we're message board posters and savage and company get paid the big $$$.

its not a coincidence that cleveland brought in all 4 qb's for personal interviews.
 
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bucknuts44820 said:
Brad Smith, Reggie McNeal, Vincent Young, Matt Leinart, Chris Leak.
The only first rounder you mentioned was Leinhart. The others are typical college QBs. Fast but not accurate passing the ball or not tall enough to be a top pick.

The top PRO QB prospects are
Lenihart (#1 overall and I don't see the Browns drafting that high)
Gradowski (TOL) He has more pro potential than anyone you listed besides Leinhart. VY might be but he has to prove to the NFL he can pass the ball.
Whitehurst (CLEMSON) He can actually throw the ball compared to the other guys you listed.
Omar Jacobs (BGSU) While only a junior next year he might have the biggest upside. He is huge and reminds me of Culpepper.

Next year will have alot of good depth (ie Rounds 2-4) but not really any top pro guys unless someone really comes out of nowhere. So this year is not a bad year to grab a QB, especially with the 2nd rounder. I really like Frye or Campbell at #34 because they will have value with that pick and actually have a good chance at developing into a good QB. Plus this does not add to the pressure to start these guys this year.

That is the key, if we draft someone this year they HAVE to sit this year. I don't want to rush a kid in just because he was the #3 pick. You know Cleveland fans, when Dilfer doesn't light things up by game 4-6 we will call for the 1st rounder to get in to see what he can do. Until this offensive line gels into an average line I don't want our future QB to get beat to death and ruin him like we did with Couch (He was a bust because he got his brains kicked in his first 2 years that ruined his mechanics)
 
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Yeah- Campbell's name keeps coming up over and over... I'm not saying they will take him if he's there.. but I think that's their first target- that they think will be available...(Or Frye for that matter... as he's gettign quite a bit of attention... so I don't know if he will be there at 34... but whatever). Of course these 2nd round projections get blown all to hell when you've got someone on your board in the mid to late first and they get lost in the shuffle and drop to you.

Also... just as an addition to the conversation-- though I'm sure some of you are aware... Kenard Lang will be moving to OLB.... while this sounds like a stopgap measure to me I doubt he'll have any problems losing a littel weight and he's a fine athlete... but it might impact the way they look at Derrick Johnson... might not.
 
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AKAKBUCK said:
Also... just as an addition to the conversation-- though I'm sure some of you are aware... Kenard Lang will be moving to OLB.... while this sounds like a stopgap measure to me I doubt he'll have any problems losing a littel weight and he's a fine athlete... but it might impact the way they look at Derrick Johnson... might not.
You need two OLB and Johnson can be on the other side. Or I do recall reading that Johnson is versatile enough that he may even be able to play the MLB in the 3-4. Don't recall where though, just remember reading it somewhere.

Plus, it is not like we have alot of good linebackers. After Davis in the middle we have 3 openings. So Johnson can still be an option and I see a couple of linebackers being drafted in the middle rounds to beef up our LB depth which we really need. Of course while I think he should be our pick I see him as 4th on the Browns list. I am starting to get a strange feeling that Edwards might be a serious possibilty at #3 due to Savage's background. Remember, Baltimore always went by their draft board despite what the needed. Even though they were fine with defense when Suggs fell to them they snagged him up because he was highest on their draft board.
 
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