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OCBucksFan;1430080; said:
I read your response, and I don't have a lot I can argue. Look, my whole point is this, if he wants to make this work, he can, McDaniel did what he thought would be best, and it didn't work. More than likely, in earlier days it never would have been known, but with the media what it is, things leak. Hell, when the Chargers had Rivers and Brees there was talk of trading Rivers for a 3rd round pick 1 year.

We'll see what happens monday, but the worst thing he can do is turn the fans and media against him. Look at Philip Rivers, the guy has had an incident where he was talking trash with Raiders fans and when he got into it with Cutler a couple years ago, ESPN has been on character assasination mode since, if he hadn't put his career at risk in the playoffs a couple years ago against the Patriots, odds are he would still be the standard for "The Evil Quarterback" in the NFL, and all he's done is make the playoffs every year he's started...

If the trade for Cassel was seriously considered,then it should have been known.McD stated ""We are NOT trading Jay Cutler"" who at a later time stated "There isn't a player we wouldn't trade".There was denial/proof thing that really started the whole escapade.It would have been a bad trade,and I think most people believe that. It wasn't just irony that it was coming from the pats(former pats coach). I think the "power control" mode Mcd's is coming off with is one of the biggest problems with Cutler's (and fans) whining. I agree that the media really added the ingredient to blow it up,but,once again that's both sides dropping the ball on professionalism for the media to have anything.

It's a lot easier to consider the rivers/brees situation,when you have two machine guns in one holster(not saying it wouldn't have been a ridiculous trade). The Broncos have Chris Sims and Darrell Hackney......
 
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The losses in Cutler's record are mostly due to the Denver defense. The wins are mostly due to him. The difference between Cutler and most sub-.500 QBs is that Cutler is generally the reason the win, and not the reason they lose.

It doesn't seem that McDaniels realizes that he has to earn respect, as well. Cutler is the leader of the offense. The players know him. They don't know McDaniels. They both need to learn to/earn respect of each other, and neither seems willing. Cutler is being a baby, McDaniels seems to be being an arrogant prick. You don't tell your franchise QB that everybody is tradable. That's beyond stupid. That's actually really fucking stupid.
 
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As the world turns...

Cutler, McDaniels finally meet

ENGLEWOOD, Colo. (AP) -- Jay Cutler finally met face-to-face with Josh McDaniels over the weekend, but nothing was resolved, leading to doubt the quarterback will show up for the new coach's first team meeting Monday.
Team spokesman Patrick Smyth told The Associated Press on Sunday that the coach and quarterback involved in a simmering feud over trade talks met Saturday at the team's training facility and both sides agreed to regroup and continue conversations.
Denver station KCNC-TV reported that the meeting didn't go well, and The Denver Post reported that words were exchanged between Cutler and McDaniels.
The Broncos insist they're not going to trade Cutler.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/football/nfl/03/15/broncos.cutler.ap/index.html
 
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Bowlen sounds a little disappointed..

BOWLEN: ?WE MIGHT LOSE OUR STAR QUARTERBACK?

Posted by Mike Florio on March 15, 2009, 8:51 p.m.

Broncos owner Pat Bowlen publicly addressed on Sunday the ongoing feud between the team and quarterback Jay Cutler.

And Bowlen recognized that which anyone not in denial about the situation already realized ? a divorce could be coming.

?I?m very disappointed,? Bowlen said. ?I?m disappointed in the whole picture, not just disappointed that we might lose our star quarterback.?

Cutler is under contract for three more seasons. So if the Broncos choose to take a hard line, Cutler has no real options.

Meanwhile, Taco Bill suggests a new approach for dealing with Cutler.
 
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Cutler has officially asked to be traded. There's more info in the link. A lot of words that basically can be summarized by saying that Cutler doesn't think the organization wants him as the starter and that he doesn't trust McDaniels.

ProFootballTalk.com - REPORT: CUTLER WANTS OUT OF DENVER, ASKS TO BE TRADED

Again, I think both parties are handling this pretty terribly. McDaniels is handling the media better, but it sounds like he's done nothing to make Cutler happy. I don't blame Jay for being upset about not feeling wanted by the organization, but he's making it more of a mess than it needs to be.
 
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Denver Broncos quarterback Jay Cutler said Sunday night that he will not report to the team's first meeting on Monday and has formally asked to be traded. He confirmed that a Saturday meeting with first-year coach Josh McDaniels ended badly from his perspective while McDaniels offered another viewpoint on Sunday night.
"I went in there with every intention of solving the issue, being a Bronco, moving forward as a Bronco," Cutler said. "We weren't in there but about 20 minutes, [McDaniels] did most of the talking and as far as I'm concerned, he made it clear he wants his own guy. He admitted he wanted Matt Cassel because he said he has raised him up from the ground as a quarterback. He said he wasn't sorry about it. He made it clear that he could still entertain trading me because, as he put it, he'll do whatever he feels is in the best interest of the organization.



"At the end of the meeting, he wasn't like, 'Jay, I want you as our quarterback, you're our guy.' It felt like the opposite. He basically said that I needed to tell him if we can't work this out, to let him know," Cutler added. "I thought he was antagonizing me and that was disappointing because I was ready to move on, committed as a Bronco. Really, I figured we'd hash things out, shake hands, laugh a little and move forward. What happened [Saturday] was the last thing I expected. If I didn't think it could be fixed, I never would have come back to Denver. It was painfully obvious to me and Bus [Cook, his agent] it's not something they want to fix."
Consequently, Cutler instructed Cook, who also attended the meeting, to formally request a trade. The quarterback said he left town late Sunday and would skip McDaniels' first team meeting on Monday as they begin their offseason program.
Broncos owner Pat Bowlen told the Denver Post on Sunday that he was disappointed with how Cutler has handled the situation. In a telephone interview with ESPN, McDaniels was reluctantly expansive on the story.
"I really have wanted to avoid a he-said, she-said thing but it's only fair for us to present the Bronco side of the story rather than let things get taken out of context," McDaniels said. "There's been a pattern here for the past two weeks the way things [have been represented] in our communications. I don't think anythng that happened [Saturday] was out of the ordinary. At the end of the meeting, Jay said he had thought about things quite a bit and requested a few more hours to mull things over. He said he wanted to talk to Bus on how to proceed. He was gonna call me on my cell phone and that never happened. Instead, Bus called [GM] Brian [Xanders].
"Again, I think that's been a pattern. I couldn't get [Cutler] to talk to me for two weeks or to talk to Mr. Bowlen. Then when he came here this weekend, we couldn't get a one-on-one meeting, just me and him alone. He wanted Bus in there, so I had Brian sit in, too. And it was the four of us. There wasn't any yelling, none of that. I can't believe we get to a totally different [interpretation].


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"It's an unfortunate set of circumstances that has cropped up, a potential distraction and we've done our best to limit that. The main message I want to get out is that we're excited to start our offseason program [Monday]. It's an exciting time for us."
Cutler won't be present at the team meeting.
"I certainly went back there, expecting I'd be there [Monday] but not now," Cutler said. "It's not mandatory. I'll attend every mandatory mini-camp and training camp but that's it. Really, it's best for me to move on. As coach said, he needs every eye in the meeting room to be on him and not me."
As McDaniels pointed out, Cutler had a completely different expectation when he left their private meeting on Saturday.
Cutler said: "You know, even after the meeting, I hung around town, kind of expecting him to call me and say, 'Hey, let's just me and you get away and have lunch or a cup of coffee' and mend things, but that didn't happen. So, I get it, really, it's a business. I'm disappointed beause I love being a Bronco but I think it's run its course."
Cutler denied recent reports that he had asked to be traded when the Broncos fired offensive coordinator Jeremy Bates.
"Yes, I was upset when they let Jeremy go because Mr. Bowlen had assured me when Mike [Shanahan] was fired that the offense wouldn't change because it was the second-ranked offense in football," Cutler said. "But I didn't push for a trade then."
McDaniels and Cutler agreed on at least one element of the controversy, knocking down a Sunday report on NFL Network that the coach had criticized the quarterback's play in 2008.
"That just isn't true," McDaniels said. "Not a word has been said about that."
Cutler added: "Josh has never said anything negative to me about my play or anything else, for that matter."
McDaniels admitted that the team got involved in trade discussions for Cassel, who instead was dealt to the Kansas City Chiefs. However, he said any perception Cutler felt that the team could still trade him was misleading.
"That's what we have communicated ever since the deal with Cassel didn't happen," McDaniels said. "Other teams have called but we're not interested in getting draft picks for Jay. I never made a statement [Saturday] that 'you can be traded at any time.' They asked a question and I told them it was the time of year when people inquire about your team. Your job, as a head coach and general manager, is to listen and not bypass any opportunity to help your team improve. I think most people [in the NFL] feel the same way. You make smart, educated decisions that are best for your football team."
Cutler feels like McDaniels lost his credibility with him when he initially denied to the quarterback that the Broncos tried to acquire Cassel only to admit it later.
"Before this trade for Cassel thing ever came up, in the two weeks or so I had spent with McDaniels, he was basically telling me that he came to Denver because he wanted to coach me and that we needed to trust each other," Cutler said. "He's never been critical to me. But trust now? How can I trust him now?"
He also explained that his house being put up for sale was "nothing more than a coincidence."
"I had already shown my house privately to some interested buyers a couple of months ago," Cutler said. "I've really been looking to buy 40 to 70 acres of land there."
As for ignoring phone calls from McDaniels and Bowlen, Cutler said: "Josh and I have exchanged text messages. We had a conference call. And if Pat wanted to speak to me, why didn't he come to the meeting on Saturday?"
Cook said that as an agent he was "totally in shock" that it has gotten so ugly.
"I would have bet my house going into Saturday's meeting that everyone would be shaking hands and smiling," Cook said. "I thought it was going to get worked out. But it was very clear to me that Jay Cutler is not their choice to be quarterback of that team."
Yet Cook admitted that when he called Xanders to request a trade on Saturday night, the team's general manager said it wasn't going to happen and that "Jay should show up Monday."
That wasn't going to happen, either.

At what point was it really worth it to Mcd to take it this far. IF Cutler is a crybaby about things,then so be it. Your job as a coach is to win. If he would rather see them go from a playoff contender to a 4 win team without coaching a game,he is making big moves towards it.

If this equates to a Cutler for Stafford trade,then mcd's is going to lose his ass.
 
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powerlifter;1431240; said:
At what point was it really worth it to Mcd to take it this far. IF Cutler is a crybaby about things,then so be it. Your job as a coach is to win. If he would rather see them go from a playoff contender to a 4 win team without coaching a game,he is making big moves towards it.

If this equates to a Cutler for Stafford trade,then mcd's is going to lose his ass.

Agreed. I'm sure Cutler is an immature pain in the ass.

That said, the cold hard facts of the matter are that McD inherited a team with the 3rd best passing offense in the NFL and the 3rd worst defense in the NFL.

Now how in the hell does effing with the Pro Bowl QB get to the top of the list of things to fix on that team? I was of the opinion they had really screwed up in firing Shanahan before this, now I don't have much doubt at all.
 
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powerlifter;1431828; said:
At least mcdaniels is having Curtis Painter work out tommorrow.........He KNOWS what he is doing..

He's working his way to being Charlie Weis the second, honestly, I am still shocked over the Shanny firing, but if you are going to make a decision like that, shouldn't you do it with a sure thing in your pocket? Look at the assistants that left New England, what have they done?

3074326;1431830; said:
I don't own jerseys, Mr(s). Rivers.

Team I support Numby, see I support the Chargers, we have a good quarterback, he wins games, he gets surgery on his knee and plays the next week to give his team a chance to win, he wins playoff games. Apples to oranges.
 
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