Braxton vs. Bridgewater (Split Discussion)

[BigJim]

How are we even comparing the level of play that these kids face? It's obvious Miami Northwestern plays FAR better competetition than Wayne, week in and week out! When has when even played anyone in the GCL? They've been to 1 state final game and that was 10yrs ago! Miami NW sends far more players to college and the NFL. I think we have a far better chance of landing Miller, but I like Bridgewater's game, but don't think that he'd come up north and change positions for our team. But comparing their HS is laughable because So Florida produces far better talent than what's in dayton, and no I'm not a biased FL guy, I'm actually from Cincinnati, just being honest with some of the OH homers.

Keep in mind the discussion is level of competition, not which player comes from a better school. Do you know the schools that both play against and the level of players at those schools or are you basing your statement soley on the regions they are in?

 

[BuckeyeJon2006]

Absolutely, I respect your opinion. However, the GWOC is a very competitive conference that produces tons of D1 talent and Buckeye talent at that. Centerville, Piqua, Springfield, Trotwood, Northmont, and Wayne are all tough schools generally. There are a couple duds but overall the conference is a beast.The competition in Florida is tough as well where Teddy plays, but as tlinc said, it likely isn't any tougher than the schedule Wayne plays by the way the Herbstreit matchups have ended up. Wayne plays a pretty brutal schedule next year with Princeton (Spencer Ware's team), Canton McKinley (Steve Miller), Glenville (the list goes on, no explanation needed), Trotwood, Northmont, Springfield, and and Centerville. Quite honestly, I'd like to see a tougher schedule in the country.

Look at St X's schedule, theirs is def harder. Wayne def uped the non conference slate this year, but they only play 1-2 other decent teams in the GWOC in Centerville and Northmont.

How are we even comparing the level of play that these kids face? It's obvious Miami Northwestern plays FAR better competetition than Wayne, week in and week out! When has when even played anyone in the GCL? They've been to 1 state final game and that was 10yrs ago! Miami NW sends far more players to college and the NFL. I think we have a far better chance of landing Miller, but I like Bridgewater's game, but don't think that he'd come up north and change positions for our team. But comparing their HS is laughable because So Florida produces far better talent than what's in dayton, and no I'm not a biased FL guy, I'm actually from Cincinnati, just being honest with some of the OH homers.

Comparing Northwestern and Wayne is certainly not smart but that wasn't the point being made. The competition in Ohio d1 in SWO is as strong as anywhere in the country, and for Berry to say the teams in Florida are stiffer shows his Florida bias. Ohio (and Cincinnati in particular) have shown they can compete witht he best of Florida in the Herbstreet the last couple of years. Like I said before Waynes conference schedule in the GWOC is solid but not as strong as the GMC or GCL. But Wayne plays a GCL and/or GMC team usually at least once or twice a year between the Crosstown showdown and the playoffs. This year with Waynes very stiff non conference games Braxton will be able to show off his talents against some very good teams, and if they make the playoffs you know they'll eventually run into a GCL team or Colerain.

Also whoever made the point about his injury is very correct. He only played in a couple of game last year so his film is mostly FRESHMAN hilights, which if you've seen the film is pretty amazing. He's going up against some pretty good teams in the video - Colerain, Centerville, Lakota West, Northmont, Herby team (East St Louis I think?).

 

[pnuts34]

Keep in mind the discussion is level of competition, not which player comes from a better school. Do you know the schools that both play against and the level of players at those schools or are you basing your statement soley on the regions they are in?

Yes I was looking at both teams upcoming schedules as well as the number of D1 products that come out of both team's conferences. And I understand we're talking about level of comp, but Dayton HS football is nowhere near the level of Cincinnati's! There is a definite line in the sand, yes Cincinnati has teams that can play with just about anyone in the nation, Dayton does not! Miami on the other hand consistently puts out top rate talent that liters D1 programs not just in So Fla but throughout the nation!
Now at the sametime I don't think Bridgewater's better, but Berrfyfan does make a very valid point as to why he thinks the kid would be better than Miller. But in the end I'd love to get both kids, but we have a better shot with Miller.

 

[Pimpinnati]

A bird in the hand ...

 

[RB07OSU]

Yes I was looking at both teams upcoming schedules as well as the number of D1 products that come out of both team's conferences. And I understand we're talking about level of comp, but Dayton HS football is nowhere near the level of Cincinnati's! There is a definite line in the sand, yes Cincinnati has teams that can play with just about anyone in the nation, Dayton does not! Miami on the other hand consistently puts out top rate talent that liters D1 programs not just in So Fla but throughout the nation!
Now at the sametime I don't think Bridgewater's better, but Berrfyfan does make a very valid point as to why he thinks the kid would be better than Miller. But in the end I'd love to get both kids, but we have a better shot with Miller.

True but Wayne's non-conference schedule makes up for that...McKinley, Glenville and Princeton are going to all be tough. Whether Miami Northwestern's schedule has 1 or 2 more tough teams on it, Braxton has to prove himself against elite teams more than once or twice a year, just as Bridgewater will. In any event, it will be interesting to see where the scouts rank Bridgewater, Golson, and Miller.

 

[westbuck04]

True but Wayne's non-conference schedule makes up for that...McKinley, Glenville and Princeton are going to all be tough. Whether Miami Northwestern's schedule has 1 or 2 more tough teams on it, Braxton has to prove himself against elite teams more than once or twice a year, just as Bridgewater will. In any event, it will be interesting to see where the scouts rank Bridgewater, Golson, and Miller.

I think they'll be ranked in that order. You can probably throw in Christian LeMay behind Bridgewater.

Braxton might be a 5 star, but he'll be the low man on the list.

 

[tlinc]

How are we even comparing the level of play that these kids face? It's obvious Miami Northwestern plays FAR better competetition than Wayne, week in and week out! When has when even played anyone in the GCL? They've been to 1 state final game and that was 10yrs ago! Miami NW sends far more players to college and the NFL. I think we have a far better chance of landing Miller, but I like Bridgewater's game, but don't think that he'd come up north and change positions for our team. But comparing their HS is laughable because So Florida produces far better talent than what's in dayton, and no I'm not a biased FL guy, I'm actually from Cincinnati, just being honest with some of the OH homers.

I guess I was the one who started the conversation about there not being a huge differential in talent based upon who he was playing in the video. If you look at the video, most of the highlights are from games against teams that are ranked in the top 10 in OH that over the last 10 years have won more than they've lost vs. top Florida teams.

As mentioned, he only played in 5 1/2 games last season. In that short amount of time, he played against Lakota West (Jordan Hicks), Clayton Northmont (CJ Barnett), and East St. Louis Illinois (Terry Hawthorne and couple other bigtime recruits). His first game ever as a true frosh was against Colerain.

Again, not saying FL isn't a bit better, but to act like Wayne plays some crappy D4 schedule or like top OH teams can't compete with top FL teams is wrong in my opinion.

 

[berryfan]

Look at St X's schedule, theirs is def harder. Wayne def uped the non conference slate this year, but they only play 1-2 other decent teams in the GWOC in Centerville and Northmont.

Comparing Northwestern and Wayne is certainly not smart but that wasn't the point being made. The competition in Ohio d1 in SWO is as strong as anywhere in the country, and for Berry to say the teams in Florida are stiffer shows his Florida bias . Ohio (and Cincinnati in particular) have shown they can compete witht he best of Florida in the Herbstreet the last couple of years. Like I said before Waynes conference schedule in the GWOC is solid but not as strong as the GMC or GCL. But Wayne plays a GCL and/or GMC team usually at least once or twice a year between the Crosstown showdown and the playoffs. This year with Waynes very stiff non conference games Braxton will be able to show off his talents against some very good teams, and if they make the playoffs you know they'll eventually run into a GCL team or Colerain.

Also whoever made the point about his injury is very correct. He only played in a couple of game last year so his film is mostly FRESHMAN hilights, which if you've seen the film is pretty amazing. He's going up against some pretty good teams in the video - Colerain, Centerville, Lakota West, Northmont, Herby team (East St Louis I think?).

I don't recall saying Florida. I was comparing the two areas where these kids play, so let's just say Miami and Dayton.

Yes, Cincinnati has my respect. Elder HS gave last year's national champion. Ft. Lauderdale St. Thomas Aquinas their best game of the year, only losing 35-24 in a very good game. I also happen to feel that the best linemen in the country are from Ohio (they certainly are rare find down here). However, last time I checked on map (and I certainly know from visiting up there), Dayton is in a whole other metro area from Cincy.

The fact that Ohio State goes shopping so often down here in the Miami area should say something (and the fact that they land young men is even better for all of us).

Again, I think in the end to really compare these two, it's going to take an all star game a few years down the road to see how these guys handle the best competition.

 

[RB07OSU]

I don't recall saying Florida. I was comparing the two areas where these kids play, so let's just say Miami and Dayton.

Yes, Cincinnati has my respect. Elder HS gave last year's national champion. Ft. Lauderdale St. Thomas Aquinas their best game of the year, only losing 35-24 in a very good game. I also happen to feel that the best linemen in the country are from Ohio (they certainly are rare find down here). However, last time I checked on map (and I certainly know from visiting up there), Dayton is in a whole other metro area from Cincy.

The fact that Ohio State goes shopping so often down here in the Miami area should say something (and the fact that they land young men is even better for all of us).

Again, I think in the end to really compare these two, it's going to take an all star game a few years down the road to see how these guys handle the best competition.

I certainly won't compare Dayton to Miami, but my whole point was that both players are going to face legit competition more than once or twice a year. If Wayne played a weak non-conference schedule, didn't play in the Herbstreit Classic, or not make the playoffs every year, I would agree. However, they do (or have done) all three of those, so I believe that competition can't be much of a factor.

 

[tlinc]

I don't recall saying Florida. I was comparing the two areas where these kids play, so let's just say Miami and Dayton.

Yes, Cincinnati has my respect. Elder HS gave last year's national champion. Ft. Lauderdale St. Thomas Aquinas their best game of the year, only losing 35-24 in a very good game. I also happen to feel that the best linemen in the country are from Ohio (they certainly are rare find down here). However, last time I checked on map (and I certainly know from visiting up there), Dayton is in a whole other metro area from Cincy.

The fact that Ohio State goes shopping so often down here in the Miami area should say something (and the fact that they land young men is even better for all of us).

Again, I think in the end to really compare these two, it's going to take an all star game a few years down the road to see how these guys handle the best competition.

That's totally fair and I understand where you are coming from. I guess the point I was making and that may be lost is that Dayton and Cincy are only 45 minutes apart and Wayne plays multiple games against top DI teams from Cincy like Colerain, Lakota West, etc. The top Cincy teams all play multiple games against the top Dayton teams so I don't think you can separate the two cities when you are talking about HS football.

I could be wrong, but I believe they also play both Cleveland Glenville and Canton McKinley this season, two of the power house DI schools from the northeast part of the state.

 

[jwinslow]

Yes, Cincinnati has my respect. Elder HS gave last year's national champion. Ft. Lauderdale St. Thomas Aquinas their best game of the year, only losing 35-24 in a very good game.

And St. X vs Lakeland... Byrnes, S.C. beat Moeller on an "awarded for missing the" extra point.

Sadly STA is playing a weak team this fall (at least in comparison to the 8-12 powerhouses in the state).

I could be wrong, but I believe they also play both Cleveland Glenville and Canton McKinley this season, two of the power house DI schools from the northeast part of the state.

And Glenville is the closest thing Ohio has to MNW or STA in terms of talent (though they aren't always as good as the traditional powers).

 

[WaitingforKickoff]

Quick question: Miller is a terrific prospect, but what has he shown that puts him a notch above Henton? I see a lot of similarities in the two and don't quite understand the obsession with Miller.

 

[OregonBuckeye]

Quick question: Miller is a terrific prospect, but what has he shown that puts him a notch above Henton? I see a lot of similarities in the two and don't quite understand the obsession with Miller.

Because he's doing it as a sophomore. He's well ahead of the game.

 

[WaitingforKickoff]

Because he's doing it as a sophomore. He's well ahead of the game.

Does he show the advanced progressions of an experienced QB right now? No. It's still scramble first mode for Miller. And that doesn't tell us much, because there are a lot of QBs that can scramble well, including Henton.

 

[OregonBuckeye]

Does he show the advanced progressions of an experienced QB right now? No. It's still scramble first mode for Miller. And that doesn't tell us much, because there are a lot of QBs that can scramble well, including Henton.

Eh, I'm no coach or professional scout but he looks pretty dang good to me and a lot of people seem to agree including coach Tressel.


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