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Brady "XLLL" Hoke (Head Coach San Diego State)

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Michigan fans can't get too upset, it wasn't like people were lining up for a chance at this job.

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I won't have too much fun at this guy's expense. He's jumping head first into a complete shit hole. So either he's confident or he's stone cold - fuck nuts.


That said. Took Ball State to some places they haven't been. Appears to have a good command of the X's & O's and his players respect. Let's see if he recruits like he's at Ball State or if he actually brings back some players that the sc(UM) brand use to land.
 
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WolverineMike;1855452; said:
you basically have everyone that hated RR now on board with Hoke and loving it while at the same time all the RR supporters completely turned off by Hoke and spelling out doomsday for the program.

so essentially, the fan base is exactly where it was.
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I'll preface this by saying a couple of things:

1. I'd guess our hosts are sick of me relating everything back to Arkansas.

2. I know next to nothing about Brady Hoke.

3. I don't share the inborn hate for Michigan that OSU fans have.

Having said that, I feel for you guys. Having a fanbase divided against itself is a horrible thing to experience.

By the time the Houston Nutt era was over, the Razorback fanbase (and the program itself) was in shambles. Divided between the 'Nutt-huggers' and the 'Darksiders', the message boards, radio shows and blogs were a never ending stream of suck.

Amazingly the man who, in a pique of jealousy, ran off PARADE/Gatorade/USA Today National Player of the Year Mitch Mustain, Gus Malzahn and a host of others, who hadn't won a conference title in ten years, whose recruiting was in the ditch, still had considerable support in the Administration, the Boo$ters and the fans.

I could write an essay on the subject, but I will spare everyone.

Just as amazingly, Bobby Petrino falls in our laps. The Nutt-huggers hated him instantly. Suffering a 5-7 first season, the off-season between between his first and second years was brutal for his supporters. Administrators and boosters were openly insubordinate.

To make things even worse, the man we ran off, Houston Nutt had taken Ole Miss to the Cotton Bowl (with Ed Orgeron's recruits).

The second year, things started to turn around support-wise. Getting to 7-5 and a bowl win helped. The Boo$ters quietened down. Some of the old school administrators were put out to pasture and the darksider fans got much less noisy.

This year, everything is peachy. There is still the occasional, dim rumbling of a Nutt-hugger every now and then, but it's just someone who would bitch about getting hung with a new rope. Some people are just going to bitch.

In three years, Petrino has turned Arkansas around from being chumps without a chance into a legitimate contender in the SEC. He did it without having any previous ties to the university, program or state. He's made Arkansas relevant. Three years. All is well in Razorback Land.

Obviously, I have no clue as to what kind of Coach or recruiter Brady Hoke will be, what kind of assistants he'll hire, what kind of program he'll run or any of that, but I hope he turns things around. College Football and the Big Ten needs a strong Michigan program*, and Winning Cures Everything.


* To our Buckeye hosts: I in no way mean this to imply, directly or indirectly, that I wish for Michigan to ever win another football game in the history of the world, Amen. :roll2:
 
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BuckeyePride said:
Again, they had to settle for 3rd choice.
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Not sure if he was 3rd choice or 2nd choice. Dave Brandon never seemed on the side of bringing Les Miles in as HC. I think that courtship was a farce for DB to conduct for the sake of the boosters and fanbase. I think Brandon wanted Hoke if he couldn't get Harbaugh; this is a smarter program move than bringing Miles into town.

His 47-50 record is what it is. Many HC's currently in D-1 FBS obtained their position with zero head coaching experience... so is Hoke's resume a good thing compared with Charlie Strong? Chip Kelly? Dan Mullen? Gene Chizik coached up Auburn (along with some great behind the scenes work from the boosters) despite his 5-19 (??) record at Iowa State. So really, Hoke has coached at Ball State and San Diego State.. two perennial doormats and rebuilt them both as winners. Michigan's last coach took a perennial winner and rebuilt them as a doormat.

TSUN decided not to pursue the obscure and under the radar coaches in Brian Kelly and Jim Harbaugh back in 2007 and Dave Brandon knows it was a mistake. I think DB felt that Hoke's career trajectory is similar to Kelly and Harbaugh's, and he was not going to let another one get by him. Seems that many people pile on the hiring of Hoke just because he had yet to do what Chris Peterson or Kyle Willingham (and Urban before him) did; which is take those obscure doormat programs to a BCS bowl. But if TSUN actually hired a guy that is capable of doing those things (which Dave Brandon thinks he has in Hoke) then all that matters is getting that talent to coach for you.

If Florida knew Urban could craft a legend 3 years prior to his actual hiring in 05... would they have not hired him because he didn't yet take Utah to the Fiesta bowl? Would they still have let Zook endanger that program? This is the rationale of the Weasel's at the moment. I am reading some of the Weasel's opinion of the hire, and it screams to me that all they desire is to have a sexy hire, somebody with some BCS titles or some shit. There are little substantial arguments on the merits of the hire based on where he can take the program, especially given the shitty state that the program is in.

Crazy that it takes a Buckeye fan to analyze this for them: its a good god-damn hire you Weasel fucks.
 
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Buckeneye;1855564; said:
Took Ball State to some places they haven't been.
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Hoke's overall record during his six years at Ball State was 34-38 (.472 winning percentage). His reputation was built during the 2008 season, when Ball State started off 12-0, but then got worked (42-24) by an 8-6 Buffalo team in the MAC title game, and got destroyed (45-13, after Hoke left) by Tulsa in some meaningless bowl game. The 12-0 run looks impressive, but eight of those wins were against the MAC, two wins were against FCS schools (Northeastern and Western Kentucky), and one was against an awful Indiana team that finished with a 3-9 record (this is Hoke's only win to date against an AQ school). The only "quality" win that year was against an 8-5 Navy squad.

Hoke's overall record is 47-50 (.485 winning percentage). However, six of his 47 wins (12.8%) have come against FCS schools (he also has a loss to FCS North Dakota State, which means that his record against FBS schools is 41-49, for a .456 winning percentage), and his record against AQ teams is 1-18 (.053 winning percentage). But he is 3-0 versus Navy, including this season's Poinsettia Bowl (his only bowl win).

Moreover, Hoke's success in 2008 was based largely on the talents of quareterback Nate Davis, who had Big Ten skills but a MAC academic record. Hoke will not be able to rely on borderline qualifiers at Michigan, especially after RichRod's rather dramatic lowering of the academic standards in Ann Arbor.

I'd say that he's a good-not-great hire long term, but he'll need at least four years to show whether he has the right stuff to return Michigan, if not to prominence, then at least to relevancy. The good news for Michigan Man is that he probably won't embarrass the program like RichRod. The bad news is that he has to get the program to the middle of the Big Ten pack before he can even consider contending for the crown with the likes of Ohio State, Wisconsin, Nebraska, Iowa, and Michigan State. If Michigan Man has lowered expectations, and isn't counting on a quick turn around like Tressel, Meyer, Stoops, Carroll, and Saban were able to achieve, then this might work.
 
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WolverineMike;1855452; said:
you basically have everyone that hated RR now on board with Hoke and loving it while at the same time all the RR supporters completely turned off by Hoke and spelling out doomsday for the program.

so essentially, the fan base is exactly where it was.
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And this is the true genius of the RichRod hire, from an Ohio State fan's perspective. Even after running the program down to the seventh level of Hell, the RichRod acolytes are still holding the rope, spotting the ball, ALL IN, etc. Despite being the worst plague ever to visit itself on Michigan football, this guy has somehow managed to split the Wolverine fan base. Unbelievable! I know that a certain portion of the fans will continue to follow that clown around like lap dogs, and when he lands somewhere like Louisiana-Monroe and starts putting up 60 points per game in the Sun Belt Conference, all the toadies will run back to Stadium and Main and say, "See, I told you so! RichRod=God. The Spread rules! You cloakers ruined Michigan football!!!!"
 
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