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Brady "XLLL" Hoke (Head Coach San Diego State)

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I chose to believe that Michigan -- or any other Big 10 program -- cannot put the money into football that the top tier SEC programs, Okie, Texas and maybe TAM can and will.

I don't know about PSU, but OSU's and Michigan's Athletic departments have to pay for all the buildings and grounds they've added in the last few years as a part of their upgrades. I know that in OSU's case it's left the department with a case of the shorts, possibly helped along by the fact that the fund drives for the updates went on during the economic boom years, but the buildings were thrown up just prior to, or during, the recent economic nose dive. In one instance, the Schottenstein Center, I'm led to understand that the building has not panned out, the cost of going from B-Ball to ice being prohibitive and the B-Ball program not drawing as well as was hoped.

Beyond that is the vast gap in cultural differences between the two conferences. OSU and Michigan ADs may have the money, but I believe there are academic restraints on them that keep them from spending it only on football and basketball, restraints that I don't believe exist at Alabama, Auburn and LSU. -- also a reason to believe that two of the top programs in the SEC, Florida and Georgia, will find themselves in circumstances similar to the top Big 10 schools, as their states continue to be "northernized" --

IMO- and relying on zero facts and data that just get in the way of a good argument -- the unspoken truth behind Harbaugh, Miles rejections of UM and Bob Stoops turn down of OSU, is the realization that the Big 10 has not kept up with those top tier programs in terms of coaches salaries - possibly in recruiting funds- incentives etc. - a gap which is probably increasing, not decreasing.
 
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Tanner;1855629; said:
It's almost sad at this point. The best Michigan can do is a 52 year old guy with a career 47-50 record at small time progrums?
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Read what he did at those programs--turned both completely around--and you can see why some of us here aren't thinking it's that bad of a hire for them.
 
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Harbaugh would have probably been the best hire for scUM, I think Hoke is second. He gets B10 football. He gets the Game. He bleeds those nasty [mark may] colors.

I think if the scUMmers give him the chance, 4-5 years, he will return them to respectablity. There are a lot of cloakers still holding the rope up there, so it should be fun to watch.
 
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Hoke will be able to get Michigan back to above average mediocrity year in and year out, there is little doubt about that. The question is, what kind of shape will the fan base be in after a few rocky years up front?

It seems likely that a section of the fan base will always hate him, even after he is pumping out 9-3 or better seasons consistently.

Will he be better than Rodriguez? absolutely. Will he be better than Carr? probably not, and with the way things went down, he will have a lot more turmoil than Carr ever did, and a lot sooner (especially without a NC season to bank on like Carr did).
 
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cincibuck;1855794; said:
I chose to believe that Michigan -- or any other Big 10 program -- cannot put the money into football that the top tier SEC programs, Okie, Texas and maybe TAM can and will.

I don't know about PSU, but OSU's and Michigan's Athletic departments have to pay for all the buildings and grounds they've added in the last few years as a part of their upgrades. I know that in OSU's case it's left the department with a case of the shorts, possibly helped along by the fact that the fund drives for the updates went on during the economic boom years, but the buildings were thrown up just prior to, or during, the recent economic nose dive. In one instance, the Schottenstein Center, I'm led to understand that the building has not panned out, the cost of going from B-Ball to ice being prohibitive and the B-Ball program not drawing as well as was hoped.

Beyond that is the vast gap in cultural differences between the two conferences. OSU and Michigan ADs may have the money, but I believe there are academic restraints on them that keep them from spending it only on football and basketball, restraints that I don't believe exist at Alabama, Auburn and LSU. -- also a reason to believe that two of the top programs in the SEC, Florida and Georgia, will find themselves in circumstances similar to the top Big 10 schools, as their states continue to be "northernized" --

IMO- and relying on zero facts and data that just get in the way of a good argument -- the unspoken truth behind Harbaugh, Miles rejections of UM and Bob Stoops turn down of OSU, is the realization that the Big 10 has not kept up with those top tier programs in terms of coaches salaries - possibly in recruiting funds- incentives etc. - a gap which is probably increasing, not decreasing.
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I see alot of what your saying but I would argue we are the blue print on how to get it done with said standards....top ten in b ball and football consistantly.....we are getting the athletes and all the forbs numbers say we make shit tons of money so....
 
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I'm guessing that Hoke knows his Xs and Os as well as most coaches, I'll even grant him some benefit of the doubt and say maybe he's better than many... no idea. The biggest question is recruiting. Miles and Harbaugh would have had an instant recruiting impact, and probably would have attracted some big names starting next year, if not by this February 2nd. I don't see Hoke having the same effect. Of course, no one could have predicted that JT would be as good as he has been either... that being said, JT's Tresselness makes him very different than virtually any other college coach in the living room, and we see how that has attracted JT-like recruits year after year... I will be very interested to see if and how Hoke recruits players that are on the level with traditional scUM talent...
 
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