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Brady "XLLL" Hoke (Head Coach San Diego State)

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WolverineMike;1864398; said:
this is what i'll be paying attention to. this years class gets a big "whatever" from me. i'll judge this year by keeping guys on the squad, as opposed to Rich Rod who seemed to drive others away.
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Well, I personally don't expect a mass exodus like happened w/rr...that was a major culture change. From his demeanor, to the S&C, offense, defense..everything. It'll be interesting how some of the guys that went to scUM to play in a spread offense react to anew scheme. I'd expect a couple departures from lower-level guys. Nothing Boren-level though because Hoke seems a lot more likeable coming from rr than rr did coming from Carr.
 
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WolverineMike;1864372; said:
as far as i'm concerned, the whole Rich Rod era didn't exist......doesn't count.....:lol:
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Then to all Buckeye fans, the Fielding Yost era doesn't count either...which means that SCUM fans can quit talking about their all-time number of wins and national championships.

WolverineMike --you're better than 99.9% of Michigan fans on this front, so it's nothing personal. Just saw the opportunity and had to take it. Hope everyone in your house is doing well, given some of the things you've posted over the last couple of days.
 
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germ;1864403; said:
TSIO

MVP this year was Dane Sanzenbacher

He was a 3 star

Taurian Washington was a 4 * that same class, who is this dude?

It's about developing talent you have, IMO Dane will be one of the steals out of this draft. I think he's that good.
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Again, Ohio State has an extensive track record of developing those kinds of kids into stars. Hoke's track record is two good years out of ten. You get the benefit of the doubt by earning it...not by other schools earning it for you.

Jim Tressel's history =/= Brady Hoke's future.
 
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NFBuck;1864408; said:
Again, Ohio State has an extensive track record of developing those kinds of kids into stars. Hoke's track record is two good years out of ten. You get the benefit of the doubt by earning it...not by other schools earning it for you.

Jim Tressel's history =/= Brady Hoke's future.
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That's the point, can Hoke do a better job at developing talent.

Stating the recruits from MI won't turn out is nuts, because we don't know. We actually have a DC this year:biggrin:

Posey was a 5 *, I would take Dane on 3rd and long all day.
 
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NFBuck;1864408; said:
Again, Ohio State has an extensive track record of developing those kinds of kids into stars. Hoke's track record is two good years out of ten. You get the benefit of the doubt by earning it...not by other schools earning it for you.

Jim Tressel's history =/= Brady Hoke's future.
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Likewise, a reasonable argument is that the star rating system is a fairly blunt tool. All kinds of "can't miss" guys miss horribly. All kinds of "Who the fuck is this?" guys pan out to have great college careers and even go on to the NFL.

There are some kids you can't pass on (The Pete Carroll approach (load up on 5 stars) and then there are some you take a chance on... and then.. as you observe, there are those guys who look for certain qualities of character (and with a certain level of requisite skill) who are driven to become the players they become regardless of what some recruiting service thinks of them. Tress has earned his rep of finding those "diamonds in the rough" Maybe Hoke will too.. but.. at this point, that's speculative and should not be assumed.
 
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germ;1864416; said:
Stating the recruits from MI won't turn out is nuts, because we don't know. We actually have a DC this year:biggrin:
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I'm not saying they won't pan out, but the reaction froma lot of tsun fans is that Hoke is "cleaning up" when, in reality, he's just taking table scraps. Some of them might turn into players, but he's not out there snagging blue chip guys that would otherwise be looking at elite programs. He's pretty much getting the same quality kids rr was. Those kids would go to scUM regardless of the coach. That may very well change, and he's done okay given the contraints he's working with, but he's not proving his recruiting accumen yet. Like I've said, why take the risky kids/projects when next years midwest is so loaded and you'd have more time to get some footing? That's the mistake to me. Those kids aren't gonna help you in 2011 or likely 2012 anyway. Harbaugh would have brought in some elite kids immediately, IMO. Hoke may very well have if he was hired after THE GAME instead of the ridiculous plan they followed.

As for the DC, he might turn out to be a real good one, but he still needs players. Also, it means another scheme change...the 3rd in 4 years now, I think. He has his work cut out for him. Fortunately, scUM has a pretty easy schedule next year...so that will definately help.
 
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I agree with WM, as strange as that may sound, in that what he does next year is what I'm looking at.

Its just a matter of semantics for this year. It was "good enough" or whatever if you consider he was looking at a giant 0fer with what 3 weeks to go?

If he has a full year to recruit and signs a class similar in talent to this one then I'll join everyone in pointing and laughing. I'm not ready to pass any judgment on this one class other than its obviously A) better than nothing B) not good enough year in year out compared to what OSU is doing right now C) we'll see how he does from here and D) he's a fat traitor fuck and I hope he chokes on a rusty beer tab.
 
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NFBuck;1864426; said:
I'm not saying they won't pan out, but the reaction froma lot of tsun fans is that Hoke is "cleaning up" when, in reality, he's just taking table scraps. One of them might turn into players, but he's not out there snagging blue chip guys that would otherwise be looking at elite programs. He's pretty much getting the same quality kids rr was. Those kids would go to scUM regardless of the coach. That may very well change, and he's done okay given the contraints he's working with, but he's not proving his recruiting accumen yet. Harbaugh would have brought in some elite kids immediately, IMO. Hoke may very well have if he was hired after THE GAME instead of the ridiculous plan they followed.

As for the DC, he might turn out to be a real good one, but he still needs players. Also, it means another scheme change...the 3rd in 4 years now, I think. He has his work cut out for him. Fortunately, scUM has a pretty easy schedule next year...so that will definately help.
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With two weeks left he is not going to snag any blue chips after the last 3 years MI has had. Again it's commen sense:wink: Hoke has to fill this glass with some defensive bodies.

We went from a 4:3 to 3:3:5 to ....... who knows, but Hoke has to fill this class with some defense players and devlope some of the talent we have. If he can get the defense in the top 60, that's all we can ask for.
 
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germ;1864440; said:
With two weeks left he is not going to snag any blue chips after the last 3 years MI has had. Again it's commen sense:wink: Hoke has to fill this glass with some defensive bodies.
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It's a matter of philosophy. My stance is: why take projects on the fly this year that aren't going to contribute for a couple of years when you can get your bearings and use those schollies on potential blue chip kids next year? It's risky and foolish IMO. To compete with tOSU and the other big boys in CFB he's gonna need big time players...he's forsaking the chance at getting those just to plug holes with wildcards. Did scUM really need two more undersized 3* DBs? They already have a roster full of those. Why not dig in and swing for some high 4*/5* kids next year instead?
 
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NFBuck;1864447; said:
It's a matter of philosophy. My stance is: why take projects on the fly this year that aren't going to contribute for a couple of years when you can get your bearings and use those schollies on potential blue chip kids next year? It's risky and foolish IMO. To compete with tOSU and the other big boys in CFB he's gonna need big time players...he's forsaking the chance at getting those just to plug holes with wildcards.
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I agree with you, but it's a numbers game. We don't have any defensive depth at all. MI needs players, we started 7 freshmen last year, who is going to back them up.
 
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